Ronac

Would molding epoxy putty to the sleeves work instead of buying the pineapple sleeves?
Is there a risk of having the expoxy putty so close to the engine?

Aaron Cake

iTrader: (1)

Yes.

Yes. Personally I wouldn't trust it. I really wouldn't even trust the Pineapple sleeves, as there have been several reports of them coming loose and being injested by the engine.

Ronac

Epoxy putty stick really hard and it's only on an NA so there won't be A LOT of force..

Does gasoline weaken the epxoy?
I'm just afraid it'll deteriorate like silicone.

neptuneRX

Someone help me understand this sleeve issue better... 1) why are you trying to keep them open all the time? wont this just make the ECU run lean? 2) why not just take the valve covers off?

SureShot

The stock sleeves are square ended on the inside.
They can be made to flow better, but still open & close normally.

A good heat resistant epoxy will work well but I would anchor it with a pin or screw from the outside so the expansion of the warmed up sleeve doesn’t loosen it.

bingoboy

he's not trying to keep them open all the time.

also, uh...what valve covers are you referring to?

check www.pineappleracing.com and you can see what the sleeves are all about.

Ronac

I'm not sure how hot the sleeves get buy can the epoxy stand that amount of heat?

rotoboy20

haahaahasahaahaahaahaa
epoxy..
in the sleeve port?!?!?!?!?!?!
haahaahaahaahaahaahahaa!
oh, thats good,real good. thanx... i havent laughed like that since i was a little girl!

if the motor is known for injesting pineapple racing sleeves, then why on earth would you ever put epoxy glue inside the damned ones youve got? infact, i wouldnt do that to any gasoline motor!
that is a disaster waiting to happen.

glue+rotary internals= paper weight.

sorry if that was a little offensive,

-chris

rotoboy20

once again...
sorry bout that, i must keep an open mind.
you might wanna try some JB weld bond. its a two part epoxy that vulcanizes into steel, er something like that. its really f-ing strong and it will handle extreem temps. it even says on the packaging that you can weld things to it with an actual machine, stick weld or wire weld. its good sheeat!

-chris

Ronac

JB weld and epoxy putty are pretty similar. I know it is strong, but I just wonder if they can withstand the heat at the port's position.

ImprezedRS

I think JB weld and most other epoxies can stand up to about 500 degrees and thats about it. I might be wrong but I have tried to use JB weld to temporaly fix an exhaust leak on my old truck and it didn't last more than an hour before it burned all up

Ronac

But what is the highest temperature the sleeves get exposed to?

Mx6-Rx7 Addict

i honestly wouldnt mess around with anything like that.. i'd stick with the oem 6 ports, or the pineapple sleeves.

Justin

Ronac

Epoxy putty is $5
Pineapple sleeves are $50

I just need to know what temperatures the sleeves get exposed to.

ddub

how modded is your car at this point? you COULD just remove the actuators/sleeves and all that crap and run them wide open all the time.. this is of course if your car is more than stock. The more heavily you mod your n/a, the more the sleeves and crap become a restriction.

ddub

here read this https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...hlight=porting

thats where i got my info from, and its better explained in that thread... make sure IF you do this dont break anything and be careful just in case you dont like how it drives after doing that... like it says in the thread, it all comes down to what you prefer

Ronac

Cold Air Intake
Dual exhaust (still have cats)
Safc (not tuned yet)
Crane hi-6
Tb Mod

Planning to do sleeves while I do my porting for the intake manifolds.

I really don't want to have to give up my low end torque.

ddub

That's fine then, but I'm not sure about the low end torque part. Some people say you lose it, some dont, after I did it along with the manifold porting my car seems to be faster, pull harder and transition smoother throughout the rpm range with an untuned s-afc, and this is after i was running with a tuned s-afc

But like Mazdaspeed7 said in that thread, it all comes down to what you prefer

Ronac

If you remove them, do you get less torque or higher idle?

What's the real cons of taking them out?

ddub

Well when I removed them, ported my intake manifolds, did the TB mod and replaced my fuel lines, it was faster, smoother and pulled harder with my s-afc untuned, whereas before all of this it was tuned. So tuning the s-afc will make an even larger difference.

My idle did not go up, in fact after doing all this i broke a couple of solenoids and my car was majorly flooded, ive had some stalling/idle problems that are almost all fixed. I'm also waiting on some parts so it should all hopefully be fixed.

Ronac

Was you car harder to drive?
Do you have to shift later with normal driving?

ddub

Driving didn't seem to change or when I shift. The driveability actually didn't go down, i was pretty surprised as I was expecting it to.

Oh yes, and to anyone thinking of doing this just remember, some people may not like this mod, so when taking the actuators and sleeves out be VERY CAREFUL. The screws holding the sleeves in are very tight and can strip easily, so if you aren't sure whether you're going to like it or not and may want to put it back in, keep everything in good shape. Also, once you take the sleeves out you'll need something to plug the hole with for the part that goes into the manifold and turns the sleeves (the rods i believe?) because otherwise there will be a leak. I personally tapped the hole and put in a bolt with silicone, but doing that will be perminant

Ronac

Heh nice, you've convinced me.
I guess my sleeves are coming out then.

ddub

I just editted my prior post, read that before you take em out

Ronac

Now why wouldn't everyone like this mod?