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4x720cc Injectors or Just 720cc Secondaries?

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Old Oct 21, 2004 | 03:26 PM
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4x720cc Injectors or Just 720cc Secondaries?

Whats the general consensus on the subject? I've heard of some running with all 4 fine, then others that are saying its bad. Anyone have actual EXPERIENCE with them running bad, or is it all myth spread around with no actual source? Can anything go wrong with installing all 4? BTW I've got a BNR Stage II that I plan on running up to 14psi in the future, a RB turboback and an a'pexi intake if it matters.
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Old Oct 21, 2004 | 03:28 PM
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installing 4 makes it easier to tune by. And then you don't have to detune the hell out of them when they come on as secondaries.
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Old Oct 21, 2004 | 03:29 PM
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only problem with all 4 720's is decreased gas mileage.
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Old Oct 21, 2004 | 03:32 PM
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What kind of fuel management do you have? If you have a standalone then the 4x720's would probably be your safest bet. Don't want to run outta gas. Then again, I don't know how much you'll be needing (not a turbo guy).
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Old Oct 21, 2004 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by powrdby13B
only problem with all 4 720's is decreased gas mileage.
If you don't rune somesort of fuel controller. Grab yourself an SAFC2 and utilize the 2 maps you can run. Run a low throttle gas saving map for anything under full throttle, then a high throttle map for anything WOT.
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Old Oct 21, 2004 | 03:48 PM
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I've got an S-AFC, my concern with not running all 4 would be like high gears at WOT where boost builds up at low rpms and stays on for longer.
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Old Oct 21, 2004 | 03:50 PM
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your concerned with the integrity of the motor then?
have you rebuilt? how many miles?
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Old Oct 21, 2004 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by powrdby13B
only problem with all 4 720's is decreased gas mileage.
If you are running them directly on the stock ECU, then this will be a problem. But if you have an S-AFC or a full standalone, the size of the injector won't have an effect on mileage (unless you get really large, or are constantly driving in boost) if they are properly tuned.
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Old Oct 21, 2004 | 07:11 PM
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Get all 4, I ran them on the safc before and now I run them on the e-manage just fine. You'll need the fuel.

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Old Oct 21, 2004 | 08:52 PM
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If you run large fuel injectors in the primaries, the stock ECU has a tendency to flood at cranking.
I hope you have a fuel pump cut-out switch.
No, this doesn't matter if you have an S-AFC.
In my experience, this is a 50% chance the engine will flood when the engine is already hot; it very rarely floods when cold starting.
I run a Field SFC-HyperR + 4x720's on a G-Force reprogrammed ECU.


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Old Oct 21, 2004 | 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RETed
If you run large fuel injectors in the primaries, the stock ECU has a tendency to flood at cranking.
I hope you have a fuel pump cut-out switch.
No, this doesn't matter if you have an S-AFC.
In my experience, this is a 50% chance the engine will flood when the engine is already hot; it very rarely floods when cold starting.
I run a Field SFC-HyperR + 4x720's on a G-Force reprogrammed ECU.


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I've never had the engine flood when hot, however this could be an issue on much older/tired engines. I've never run a compression test on the current issue, as of now it's at 78k miles.
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Old Oct 22, 2004 | 04:06 AM
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My engine all brand new seals and o-rings with about 30,000 miles on it so far.
There is no way that you can adjust for the initial cranking primer short of reprogramming the ECU to do so.
This is why the car tends to flood with the larger primaries.



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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 11:07 AM
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So the RTek is likely not going to fix this either? (Except for having the "Flood Clearing" option"
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 12:07 PM
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Meh, the rx7 engines are prone to flooding anyways.

With your list of mods i'd go with the 4 720s and install a fuel cut switch.
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 12:44 PM
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Since you have an S5 , you don't need to worry about a fuel cut switch.On the S5 just mash the go-pedal to the floor, this will envoke the fuel-cut function built into the S5 if you have a flooding issue.
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 03:10 PM
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Ya go with all 4 720s I have the stage 3 BNR and that what I run.
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 03:27 PM
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This is for usmcjsy or if anyone else can answer this. With 4x720cc injectors do you have to add resistors to them? I herd the ECU can fry after a while using bigger injectors?
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Old Jan 23, 2005 | 06:45 PM
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i have only 720cc secondaries, with rtek, and safc2 soon. soon putting on a t04b v trim turbo with a mild port motor.

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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ShadowX
So the RTek is likely not going to fix this either?
No, it won't.

Originally Posted by WallyHojo
With 4x720cc injectors do you have to add resistors to them? I herd the ECU can fry after a while using bigger injectors?
It's not the size of the injectors that matters, it's their impedance. Low-impedance injectors must have resistors when used with the stock ECU. However most injectors bigger than stock are low-impedance, so you will usually need them.
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Old Jan 24, 2005 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Ocelot
I've got an S-AFC, my concern with not running all 4 would be like high gears at WOT where boost builds up at low rpms and stays on for longer.
Check the "super AFC" forum.
There's a thread on using the pressure sensor signal into the throttle position feed of the S-AFC.

I wired it that way so full throttle at low boost dosen't waste gas, and part throttle in cold air & mid revs dosen't lean out.

If your 550's are in good shape thay are fine as primarys.
Any doubts can be checked with a wideband..

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