I understand this, and I've driven cars with ABS and discovered how it worked.

But still, not if I can help it.

 

the proper answer is; yes, would you like to see my medallion?

 

It may be Ludditian, but sequential fuel injection and variable ratio power steering is a whole other different ballgame than systems which directly change my inputs. I'm all for advancing technology (which is why I drive a Honda Insight, and why my '76 Cosmo is getting sequential fuel injection) but that all stops when some computer decides "I won't open the throttle blade all the way because I detect a loss of traction and/or the steering angle is too great".

ABS of course is great for normal drivers, because their default response for any situation is to mash the brake to the floor.

But, here's the thing: Why would I want my throttle tuned for fuel economy or performance? Isn't that the job of my, well, right foot?

 

I HATE ABS. I was driving my grandmas 09 hyundai elantra after bringing my girlfriend home, and I came off the parkway onto the man road. There was some ice near the stop sign, and when I hit the brakes to slow down like a normal human being the ******* ABS kicked in and I slid through the stop sign. Luckily no cars were coming, but a quarter of a mile down the road I got ******* pulled over and got a ticket for going through a stop sign. Don't even know where the cop came from either. The ABS in that car is retarded sensitive.
I go fight it in court, the cop explained his side of the story and I explain that the ABS kicked in for no reason when I barely braked so I slid through it. The judge asked the cop if that was true and he says "well I didn't see that, its possible" SO HOW THE **** CAN YOU GIVE A TICKET FOR SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T SEE. Nonetheless, I had to pay a $130 ticket cause the judge was a snivelling little nerd, looked & sounded exactly like Milton Adams from Office Space. Douchebag, ABS cost me $130 >

 

next time just force the pedal to the floor anyway. i had a lexus LS400 that had abs like that. abs off and stop in 10', abs on and stop in 100'. super retard..

i guess ill tell a funny fc story now.

a few friends and i decided to go for a drive. consisted of going up a canyon and down another.

anyway. we all meet up and it is me turbo fc stock 13b stock boost, couple sr s13s and a somewhat special fellow with a na gxl.

we start the 7+% grade up the canyon and the sr guys take off so i decided to follow and catch them. we got to our exit and took it, stopped under the bridge for the gxl guy. he finally got next to us and asked if my car was turbo. i lied, said no just an na gxl like yours. he said yeah i thought that nas were supposed to be faster than this one is.

kind of funny but then.

a suspicious white crown vic shows up and parks about 20 yards down the road from us so we decide to move on. gxl guy decides this was the great opportunity to start busting out m4d driving skillz and randomly starts doing doughnuts

of course cop was not amused.. good times

 

^ why the hell would you lie to him? lol thats fucked up. I wouldn't let any fc owner go down with the cops like that either.


funny things said about my s4 N/A... It's fast hahaha

 

i told him later it was turbo..

and nobody knew he was going to do what he did or we would have advised against it

 

was rolling outta a medical office parking lot from a service call. idling as i come to the exit and there is this lil Asian family cover their noses all at the same time. couldnt help but to chuckle a lil.

 

Well that's why you can turn it off. Although I'll admit that some traction control systems don't "really" turn off.
Of course. Most people have never had proper instruction on how to handle a skid, wheelspin, etc.

Yes, it is. And it's not like putting the fun pedal down doesn't still make the car faster. It's just the relationship between the pedal position and engine output that can change based on how the engine has been calibrated.

But you may not be realizing some of the other reasons why they have to have drive-by-wire. Newer engines are moving towards de-throttled operation. Nissan, BMW, and Fiat have engines that alter valve lift to control engine output and keep the throttle blade at WOT almost all the time. Stratified charge direct injected engines (not really available in North America yet) can regulate engine output under low loads by changing the fuel flow, just like a diesel.

On regular electronic throttle engines the system is used to automatically set throttle valve position during warmup, deceleration, idle, etc in order to have a stable idle as well as good emissions and fuel economy. They can also be used for OEM anti-lag systems (BMW) and as replacement for fuel cutoff systems (GM). I've got a paper on this if anyone is interested.

 

I know the 1st gens aren't as heavy I've owned an 81 & 83 but I have a 88 gxl and just got it's only 2540 w/o me 2680 w/ me and I can still take some out so they are heavier but not by a whole lot and that can be fixed + it's not too hard to make them move with some power...

 

That stuff is really interesting. Makes me think of cam-less engines.

IMO it would be a cool thing to drive and work on, but not own. More stuff to break, malfunction, go wrong. I'm all for super complicated stuff like elaborate gps/interior/traction control/parking assist, but when that stuff fails, you can keep on driving.

I do not like over complicating the things that are needed to make the car move. Engine/trans/air suspension/etc. And with all the over complication, comes more things to go wrong, and there we have BMW, Merc, Audi, etc...

 

That's kind of my issue. Plus, many vehicles require you to turn it off every time the car is started. I want to get into a car, turn the key, and then drive. I don't need to spend time setting up the computer, choosing profiles, etc.

I don't get why though. The only explanation I can come up with is a bandaid for driver skill. Driver can't control throttle properly? Use the computer to adjust the driver's erratic input for economy. Insight drivers use a similar throttle smoothing mod on the TPS to adjust for improper pedal control. Yet get worse mileage than me and mine is stock (save for tires at 55 PSI).

Yes, I'm quite aware of all this stuff.

Drive by wire isn't what bothers me. I don't care that my fun pedal is a pot and the throttle plate is on a servo. As long as it is a direct linear relationship between how far I push down the pedal and how far the throttle opens (save for things like idle control).

 

can we go back to ppl saying retarded **** about our cars now?

 

I was cruising with my friend and his s13, some kid at the stop light says Oo look 2 of the same car. I have a red fc. Not the same

 

 

http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cto/2538602578.html

 

Ugh, my brain...

 

Took my car fc vert to this car meet, and this honda kid comes up to my engine bay, says: damn 1.3 liter? I can beat that with my 1.6. I just laughed inside haha.

 

Haha, sure man. The other day I was driving and I came to a light. A guy rolled up next to me and asked me if the car was turbo, even though it says "TURBO II" on the side and it sounds turbo and it has a turbo hood scoop.

 

http://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/2581340770.html

for future reference when this ad is deleted it says:
1986 nissan rx7 - $3000

 

i don't see the word nissan in that ad anywhere

 

I know of a turboII with a v8 in it, it still has the TII hood and emblems

not deleted, just edited.

 

oh...oh wow.

guess i should have taken a screenshot.

 

"ummmm.... did you knock down all those cones? lol"

"haha no, I scared them so bad they jumped out of the way!"

 

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