You mean this?



thewird

 

I like projay's stuff really nice guy too. but maybe with runners that run parallel on the upper manifod and the same lettering in the factory manifold. I realize I'm just being picky at that point as the products are already great performers but the cosmetic changes would make it perfect IMO.

 

I'm not a fan of the Pro-Jay design...

look where the injectors are placed.

 

The pro-jay system is designed for the big boys. The lower intake has a rail in the stock secondary location and a second rail behind it. Plus the one on the upper intake for a total of 3 fuel rails each housing 6 injectors for a total of 18 injectors (plus the stock primaries, that's a capacity of 21 injectors).

thewird

 

pretty disappointing considering he sold me his defined autoworks shortened manifold..
a heads up wouldve been a nice gesture...

 

looks like something else I'm going to have to buy.... lol

 

The factory 20b UIM is rather adequate.

 

LOL, That's Phil for you ..

 

Those are really nice!

 

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wondering if they will provide for an even shorter version..
this won't work with defined auto works kit since it requires 2.5 of clearance...

 

A shorter version will not be offered, but a 20B mounting solution is in the works.

 

leaves one question... how much will it cost? :-)

 

I think it was around $1000 with the rail

i think Phil has the DA auto kit

 

^He HAD one. Read the thread, papa bear

 

Wait, I was under the impression this would work with the DA kit. Is that not the case?

thewird

 

when I read 'kit' I thought he meant 'LIM'..... this before my morning cup o joe

Was allrotor referring to the DA subframe?

Sorry for any confusion

 

Defined auto is just motor mounts using the stock frame. They just adjust the height and location of accessories

 

The Xcessive LIM is certainly an impressive piece of work, but I see a few flaws in it.

1. Fuel rail fittings: NPT ports may work, but I would have some concerns about long-term serviceability. The majority of aftermarket fuel lines use AN fittings. In the case that a NPT to AN adapter breaks off, extracting the remnants is quite a bit more difficult. Anyone that has attempted to use a Bolt Extractor can vouch for this.

Depending on the material the rail is made of, correcting this flaw could be as simple as welding on a couple bungs. And in the case that one does break off, it would be much easier to replace by grinding it flush and welding on another $4 bung.

2. Shortblock flange surface: I'm not a machinist, but the flange surface needs redone. I can see grooves that would catch a fingernail easily. Someone more knowledgeable than I can weigh in on a proper specification, but the flange appears to be beyond the tolerance of a normal gasket. A suitable machine shop could correct this though.

3. Runner Height for shorter LIM: Defined Autoworks' install kit is pretty much the accepted norm for making a 20B FD. I believe that it would be much simpler and easier to adjust the height of the modified LIM's runners to suit the Defined Autoworks kit, rather than reinvent the wheel and try to make a kit to fit the current Xcessive Modified LIM. It appears that there would be enough room to remove about 1" more from it under the injector bungs, but this is just speculation. A proper side-by-side comparison by Logan would be the best way to determine how possible this is.

The product has potential, it just needs the flaws ironed out so it can really shine.

 

I think Phil has the DA kit do lets see if it fits

 

1k for this is a rip off, you would have rocks in your head if you think this is good value.

 

If it's 20b related, getting charged out the *** is common place. Hell look at how expensive our 20 year old used engines are? Lol! Thruthfully this will be a low demand low selling product so the cost will what it is. Im sure there's quite a bit of money invested in this. Give the guys a break.

 

i just fail to see the value in it thats all.

but on the other hand at least someone is prepared to do this for a 20+ year old motor so good on them for doing it.

 

it will not fit.. logan swears that for his kit.. the LIM needs to be lowered 2.5" for it to work..
ive requested with xcessive to test fit it their LIM with my DA kit.. but theyve stated that they have their own mounting kit in the works..
there are certain things you can do to get that other extra inch as there is some wiggle room with the DA kit..
not sure i want to be the guinea pig on such an expensive piece though... perhaps phil will chime in with what hes found and share this time..

 

Investment in just the molds can average $10k depending on the amount of engineering that has to be done by the manufacturer. I've gotten quotes as high as $15k for a pretty small mold. Then you have to account for the manufacturing cost of the actual product (which is actually pretty low).

Figure you have $10k in molds, $5k in a first run of 20 parts, and only expect to sell 10~15 manifolds over the lifetime of the product.

15,000 / 15 = $1000 each, and that's not including any profits for your work. The price is really where it needs to be for it to be worth manufacturing. People don't make things to break even. If you want cheaper, buy a used OEM manifold.

20 year old motor or not, there's no modern 3 rotor replacement, and if no one else is making anything newer or better, then it's still the best option for the most power in the most efficient way.