hawk 7

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I suggest that you should have a sticky in this forum where people explain ALL of the cost associated with doing a 20b swap. I think it would be a good idea to show people what they are really getting into when they consider a 20b.

Kurgan

The only problem with that is that there are MANY different ways to approach the project...

What car is it going in? Are you going to have it rebuilt? Stock twins or big single turbo? You doing all your own work?

You can do the swap yourself for < $6000, but if you go all out on everything, you're looking at $15,000-25,000 if you do it yourself.... Or, you could pay someone to do it and spend $25,000 - 50,000.

hawk 7

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I understand that but I just thought it would be a good idea for people to know the different things that go into the swap. You always get people thinking that all I need are motor mounts and an stand alone and that it. You see that in the 2nd gen forum, guys that are new wondering how much it cost to do a 20b conversion. And in the sticky different people who are doing it or have done it can put all of their costs in their to give others a good reference point.

j9fd3s

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or we could have a roatation for that question, ie
week 1: ted answers
week 2: evil
week 3: me
etc etc....

mike

hawk 7

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LOL!! Don't you guys get tired of repeating yourself. That's why I think this topic would make a good sticky. Plus this forum doesn't have one yet.

j9fd3s

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thats how i know i'm in the right forum though....

mike

hawk 7

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LOL! I understand it's like you know when you are in the 2nd gen forum when someone asked about anything that goes wrong with the car and they respond "did you try the ATF trick". "But i'm talking about my brakes" "yeah but did you try the ATF trick"

Jeff20B

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I've always called it the ATF treatment. Tricks are for kids.

Yeah, let's have just one sticky for anyone thinking they would like to put a 20B in thier car. It should make them think twice before getting one.

Evil Aviator

Evil right-wing rugged individualist concept - Laissez Faire, Caveat Emptor

1) There are too many ways to skin the 20B conversion cat.
2) Stickies clutter up the forums.
3) If you are not capable of figuring out the 20B swap yourself, and you are not capable of asking questions or using the Search button, then you are also not capable of reading or heeding a sticky message. Some people just can't be helped.

Here is a site on 20B swap issues:
http://www.se-rx7.com/20b/

hawk 7

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Is that "Let the buyer beware" or "Let the poster beware"!! I just thought it would be easier for you guys that are actually doing or have done the swap to not answer the same questions. People who are more serious about the swap would ask question. The Dreamers can look at the sticky.

peejay

But "treatment" implies that it's actually doing something useful.

j9fd3s

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thats the trick part....

mike

peejay

I really like the way you think, dude. But...

Unfortunately, these are the very people who ask questions like "How much will it cost?" "How hard is it to do?" "Who can do it for me?" "Hey I have a GREAT ORIGINAL IDEA, what if someone put a 3-rotar (sic) 20btt (sic) in a rx7 (sic) ??"

In short, the people who need clue are the very people who NEED stickies.

Yes, stickies. Searching is kinda pointless because you get 200 returns of newbies asking "How much will it cost?" "How hard..." etc.

First off, we should write a FAQ. The common 20B questions ("What did it come in?" "How much power did they make stock?" "Why not use the Cosmo transmission?" etc) and the general price layout in sections - first the basics (engine) then "mandatory options" (mounting, cooling, etc) then "optional options" (fancy trannies, big turbos, etc) all with the side note that, being an engine swap, the sky is the limit as far as cost goes.

And that if you can't figure out how to do a swap without asking a ton of very basic questions, then you don't have the basic mechanical ability to do it on your own, so figure on spending about twice as much as the parts cost, in labor cost for someone else to do it.

peejay

Yeah, and everyone says 24 hours no matter what. Immediately is fine if you're unflooding and 3 days to a week is MINIMUM if you're trying to bring a junkyard engine back to life (only really works on 1st-gens that go to the junkyard because carbon clogs the seals up). And if you have an engine that already runs OK, then it does absolutely nothing except fog the mosquitoes out of your backyard.

Re: the stickies again... Thinking of the 2nd-gen forum because of this little ATF side-topic, I do understand what you mean. You go in there and half of the first page is stickies that most people are too ignorant to read anyway. But it would be nice to have one, nice, solidified FAQ.

j9fd3s

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yah, maybe a faq is a better idea. or maybe we could just have the answers....
1. it costs 10k parts + 350 hours of labor
2. it doesn't fit in an fd, sorry
3. just bring the car over and leave the money under the mat....
4. no
5. no, you're crazy. maybe a drivers licence would be a good first step
6. 297hp 295lbsft

mike

peejay

lol... "i'm 15 and i don't have a driver's license yet but i was thinking i could get a loan for an fd and then put a 20B in? i mean an FD is maybe $12k and a 20B is $4k so i should be able to do it. i've never even driven a car before much less driven one hard but i've play GT3 nonstop and i always use the FD so i know what i'm talking about"

j9fd3s

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actually as a former dealership parts manager i am trained to answer the same questions over and over again.
things like "yes, sir that door handle really is $200" and "yes it is worth its weight in gold"

mike