800whp fc or 600whp fc price difference?
06-23-09, 09:43 PM
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800whp fc or 600whp fc price difference?
Quick question for you guys...
I'm putting my car back together finally, with the intention of driving it this summer, then selling it and restarting the project with an FD. That said, I have a dilemma: I am considering pporting it and raising the redline, which should net me 2-300 more hp fairly easily without raising stress levels in the engine much if any. I can make everything myself, so the only cost to me other than fabrication time (my time isnt worth much anyway) is $300 or so for balancing, and around $100 for the silicon-bronze TIG rods I need to weld the original ports shut.
The problem is that I'm afraid doing this might not help the value of the car much (or might even hurt it).
I miss driving the damn thing and want to get it back on the road, but I'm tired of the FC and want an FD, so I have to keep resale value in mind...
Hence my question...most of you know my car, how much more would you pay for it if it was a 800-900whp turbo pport setup vs 600whp on the current street port?
I'm putting my car back together finally, with the intention of driving it this summer, then selling it and restarting the project with an FD. That said, I have a dilemma: I am considering pporting it and raising the redline, which should net me 2-300 more hp fairly easily without raising stress levels in the engine much if any. I can make everything myself, so the only cost to me other than fabrication time (my time isnt worth much anyway) is $300 or so for balancing, and around $100 for the silicon-bronze TIG rods I need to weld the original ports shut.
The problem is that I'm afraid doing this might not help the value of the car much (or might even hurt it).
I miss driving the damn thing and want to get it back on the road, but I'm tired of the FC and want an FD, so I have to keep resale value in mind...
Hence my question...most of you know my car, how much more would you pay for it if it was a 800-900whp turbo pport setup vs 600whp on the current street port?
06-24-09, 02:08 PM
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I don't think you should bother...
1) You're not going to top dollars for a 20B FC, regardless of its badness
2) You're not going to get 2-300 more hp because of the P-port on a turbo motor. You may get another 100 hp or so up top, and shift the power band higher, also your turbo has to be reconfigured before you can make the most out it.
3) You're risking running into more problems that's associated with high hp, i.e. heat, seals/housing cracking, etc. And the last time I checked, Racing Beat charges $525 for balancing a 3-rotor, + $85 each rotor for race clearancing, maybe race bearings, etc.. CLR, aka, Carlos Lopez would cost even more..
1) You're not going to top dollars for a 20B FC, regardless of its badness
2) You're not going to get 2-300 more hp because of the P-port on a turbo motor. You may get another 100 hp or so up top, and shift the power band higher, also your turbo has to be reconfigured before you can make the most out it.
3) You're risking running into more problems that's associated with high hp, i.e. heat, seals/housing cracking, etc. And the last time I checked, Racing Beat charges $525 for balancing a 3-rotor, + $85 each rotor for race clearancing, maybe race bearings, etc.. CLR, aka, Carlos Lopez would cost even more..
06-24-09, 04:52 PM
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my turbo is too big for what im running now, it would be near its efficiency peak at the higher level, which means slight increase in torque x higher rpm= that hp number, for example, my last dyno was 481 ft-lb. I think I can make that at 10k with a pport setup, so 481x10000/5252 = 915whp...
I already have a quote for the balancing, i can do any rotor mods i want myself.
I'm not worried about the performance numbers or the work, I know what I can do, I'm just afraid it will not help the value any.
I already have a quote for the balancing, i can do any rotor mods i want myself.
I'm not worried about the performance numbers or the work, I know what I can do, I'm just afraid it will not help the value any.
06-24-09, 05:59 PM
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my opinion on the matter as you have laid it out is this:
just put the car back together and put it up for sale as soon as you can. i think the peripheral port setup will do nothing but potentially cut your buyer base. i honestly don't think the added horsepower will sell the car for a price that would yield a profit, especially given the fact that you're still going to have to invest something in order to build and tune the PP setup - even with you doing all the work. the summer is still young and you can always drive it while you wait for it to sell. the sooner it sells, the sooner you can get the FD.
just put the car back together and put it up for sale as soon as you can. i think the peripheral port setup will do nothing but potentially cut your buyer base. i honestly don't think the added horsepower will sell the car for a price that would yield a profit, especially given the fact that you're still going to have to invest something in order to build and tune the PP setup - even with you doing all the work. the summer is still young and you can always drive it while you wait for it to sell. the sooner it sells, the sooner you can get the FD.
06-24-09, 10:40 PM
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A hp figure isn't going to sell your car. On custom projects like this, consumers are more worried about reliability, drivability, and finally the engineering of the set-up. If you were to buy someones elses custom set-up, wouldn't you be worried about those things as well? PP isn't gonna be too friendly on the street (even for the 20b) Besides, side ports will easily achieve those hp goals and be way more economical. Your biggest problem will be stiffening the block and upgrading the e-shaft.
06-25-09, 08:33 AM
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I'm gonna agree with the consensus on this one.
You MIGHT command a little more coin with a boosted semi-PP, but probably not enough to justify all of the work, unless of course you count the experience/knowledge gained as payment in and of itself.
In my opinion, any further modification will not be worth it, financially.
Good luck either way man!
You MIGHT command a little more coin with a boosted semi-PP, but probably not enough to justify all of the work, unless of course you count the experience/knowledge gained as payment in and of itself.
In my opinion, any further modification will not be worth it, financially.
Good luck either way man!
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and then you should make it a p-port turbo! seriously.. peripheral port turbo engines are ******* amazing, i wouldn't not do that with a 20b if i have the ability to. In fact, after i finish my 13bppt, i plan on a 20bppt.. except that engine is gunna go into an STI.
07-03-09, 09:39 AM
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Well, before all this recession ****, I would have figured I could get 17-18k for it. Nowadays, I'd be happy with 14-15k, which is what I have in it not counting countless hours of wrench and fabrication work.
Either way I expect it will be a chore to find the right buyer...its hard to explain to people how rare and expensive a streetable 600whp fc is, especially the ones who have never tried to build one
Either way I expect it will be a chore to find the right buyer...its hard to explain to people how rare and expensive a streetable 600whp fc is, especially the ones who have never tried to build one
07-03-09, 01:13 PM
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Well, before all this recession ****, I would have figured I could get 17-18k for it. Nowadays, I'd be happy with 14-15k, which is what I have in it not counting countless hours of wrench and fabrication work.
Either way I expect it will be a chore to find the right buyer...its hard to explain to people how rare and expensive a streetable 600whp fc is, especially the ones who have never tried to build one
Either way I expect it will be a chore to find the right buyer...its hard to explain to people how rare and expensive a streetable 600whp fc is, especially the ones who have never tried to build one
07-04-09, 01:09 AM
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07-04-09, 10:35 PM
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I stacked the motor today, didnt pport it, just did a couple small cooling mods and changed my exhaust port shape a bit.
As far as the $ figure.... I have $14k in the car just in parts, with no time or fabrication materials included. If I can't get that I'll just keep it, its a nice car, I just want an FD sooner rather than later.
I'd be extremely surprised if anyone can find a reliable dyno proven 600whp FC for less $ than that.
As far as the $ figure.... I have $14k in the car just in parts, with no time or fabrication materials included. If I can't get that I'll just keep it, its a nice car, I just want an FD sooner rather than later.
I'd be extremely surprised if anyone can find a reliable dyno proven 600whp FC for less $ than that.
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