Dude , **** man , i am pretty shure you got your`e reasons and all , but DAMN man i couldn`t sell that thing
I mean ,not only does it look badass , it manages to look both badass and clean at the same time , thats gold man .....

 

And that is precisely the reason why it costs so much to build a high quality race/street car. She certainly is even more gorgeous in person

Don't know if Butler mentioned this but there is a HUD in the windshield as well with a few key indications present, which I believe was from a Cadillac originally...?

 

Is this even sold yet? I'd buy it for 20K.

 

20K wouldn't even pay for the back half of the car!!!!

I'm going to suck it up and tough it out. I'm sticking with it, even if I can't finish it for driving this summer. I just can't part with it. Too much money, time, and sweat put into it. If a 50K offer came along, then maybe. Anything less would be a give-away.

Aaron

 

I thought this was for sale for 20K? now 50K? That's a big jump. 50K for a broken FD....

I have a 20B FC. A 20B FD would be a nice addition...

 

Uh, he never said it was for sale for 20k, I have no idea where you read that. And there is nothing wrong with this FD, it is not broken..... might be time for a renewal on your eye glasses. Not to be a dick, but damn man.

 

Actually, it is broken. When I spoke with him originally he said there were problems with the motor, and that it needed to be torn down and rebuilt. AIR, they used some ceramic coating on the internals that is causing problems with sealing up or something.

That's the 3rd motor I've heard of trying to *unsucessfully* coat internals.

This car unfortunatley needs a rebuild with some new parts, which I believe is partially why he is deciding to keep it. We all know it is hard to sell an improperly running car for anything near it's full value.

-Chris

 

50k

I don't see how it would be possible to have spent 100k on this car. I just don't see it. Unless you knew nothing and said "I want the best" and then a mechanic got to charge you what he wanted to excercise what he thinks would be best for the car.

The good thing going for your car was that it was a 95 but you have ruined all your interior plastics, the color combo is the least desirable MB-Tan and NOS and C02 aren't something most people are looking for.

Honestly, the mods are tacky rather than tasteful, too many gauges and the fighter stick shifter is eugh

Anyone with a 20b will most probably be driving the car FAST and what that means is that CF bumper can say bye bye in not very long. Not to mention that your don't even have the car completely sorted out yet.

Isn't 50k close to the price of a brand new c6 Z06?

 

+1 and this is coming from someone who know about tacky mods

 

It's about 2/3 the cost... but you're point is valid. I struggle with the very same thing in trying to decide what to do with the parts I have collected for my 20b project. A fully built, properly done 20b car is VERY expensive....

 

Almost, and it runs and comes with a factory warranty

 

As to the engine, it has compression issues due to the chromium nitriding. I will be removing the coatings on the irons and replacing the rotor housings with new seals all the way around.

In regards to the mods, personal taste is personal taste, and to each his own. The interior is not ruined and is in perfect shape. If you don't like the gauge work and shifter that is fine. In regards to the carbon fiber nose, "going fast" has no bearing on how it holds up. It is structurally sound.

In regards to the money spent, you have no idea what has gone into it unless you were there. I have all receipts to show what has been spent and done.

In regards to the Corvette Z06, they are a dime a dozen and this car will out perform it by a long shot. But if you like the Corvette, go for it.

Anyway, it's off the market.

Thanks,
Aaron

 

To above post yes I do know tacky

If the dash is not ruined please explain to me how you did the installation of all those gauges?

I am sure the nose is fitted securely. However the longevity of such a part is questionable. Also, it is the offspring of the carbon crazy ricer world and is a replica of an already "played out" part.

Maybe Corvettes are a dime a dozen but Z06's are not. Also I have a hard time beleiving the package you currently present would take it to a C6 Z06.

Also, I have a decent idea what it takes $$ wise to do a 3 rotor conversion. Maybe not yours but to do a clean one yes.

 

I'm not going to carry on a back and forth response thing over this, but to answer your responses, the dash was professionally reconstructed with the new gauges and is in perfect condition. In regards to the carbon fiber, I put it on there for structural rigidity and will have the entire car painted stock MB over next winter. I was not looking for the carbon fiber look.

 

It upsets me that people have nothing better to do than bash people and their cars,I dont think thats what this site is intented for . It is easy to have 100k into a 3rotor fd and anyone that owns one will more than likely agree ! anyway good luck w/your car Arron i hope it all works out for you.

 

I appreciate the response from someone who's been there. Thanks.

 

NIce Car Butler......it is tastefully done to your liking and that is what matters.......no matter what all these haters say..........good luck

 

Yes I am sad and have no clue. I am saying that his car isn't worth 50k. Is it a bash no, reality yes.

You could easily have 100k into a Civic money comes money goes that is why you want to do things right and smart.

What I meant about the gauge panel is that the 94+ textured finish AC console is discontinued. Seeing as it is a more durable and rarer peice to chop it up to install gauge whether done by a professional or not is still a shame. Does my taste prevail over all individuals no but you will see that most people willing to spend 50k because they understand the hard work that goes into doing a 3 rotor conversion would like to see attention to detail inside and outside the car.

Lastly, if you were looking for increased structural rigidity putting an overlayed CF bumper on is not really taking you anywhere closer to your goal.

 

The problem is their are so many wanna-be people out here. He is tring to sell this car and over 90% of the people talking **** about it can't even afford it.. I see it all the time.. Let the guy sell his car in peace..

 

So True.

 

The car looks awsome and unless you have built a 20B FD from the ground up, you have NO IDEA what you are talking about!

As far as taking on a Z06 with a single turbo 20B FD, not a problem.

What dont you understand about 500-600rwhp in a 2700lbs car?

Unless you know what the hell your talking about, which you obviously dont, keep you comments to yourself.

This guy has obviosly put alot of time, money and effort into this car and all you can do is **** on him.

Your a real piece of work.

The only reason I am ranting is because I can relate to what this guy is going through and know what it takes to build this car.

If teh engine was in good shape that car is wurth between 50-70k cdn easily.

A petit 20B FD with twins sold at Barret Jackson for 56k usd.

 

Let me add to the thread: It does cost a lot of money putting together a well-sorted 20B. Read my thread on this forum for the true "trials and tribulations" of a 20B convertee. Between the cost of the car ($35K in 1994) and what I have spent on the conversion, I'm over the $100K mark on mine.

For me though, I know I'll never get this back if I were to sell the car. My best guess of what a 20B is worth is what Cam Worth from Pettit got for his at Barrett-Jackson: $54K. I can argue mine is better (single turbo and many more upgrades than Cam's car) but this is what I would expect to get. Maybe this wil improve with time and the car becoming more rare, etc.

My advice is for you to keep the car and enjoy it. Seems like you've decided on this route as it's now off the market. You'll also get much more if the engine is solid and the tune is great.

As for the Z06 versus a 500-600 RWHP 20B, the 20B should win. Once my car is back from Gotham, I plan on finding out

 

What I don't think a lot of people realize is that putting a 20b into an FD is more than a simple 'engine' swap. Nearly every system on the car has to be re-engineered to one degree or another to accommodate the motor. That costs a lot of money and takes a lot of time to accomplish. As for the performance, Black93RX7 is right on, there isn't much else out there that is as nimble with anywhere near the same HP.

I drove a C6 vette with a Z51 package on it recently. It's an impressive car, but it feels big and almost synthetic when compared to the FD.

 

A regular C6 Vette is a long ways from the z06. From a handling 'feel' perspective the lighter car will always win out, but the FD wasn't designed to put down 500-600whp, and the z06 was. I think the 3 rotor FD would win out in a lot of performance catagories, but it wouldn't be a huge difference and the z06 would take down more than it's share (ESPECIALLY in the braking department). I would also be willing to bet the z06 brakes would make a rode course race between the two cars pretty dang even. I am not here to bench race cars but I had a couple of comments.

How can you monitor that many gauges? Especially while driving. That is crazy.

If someone sold an FD at Barrett-Jackson for $54K, that means he actually took about $45K out of the deal (after auction and broker costs). I could see a clean 3 rotor with low chassis miles going for that...but a 95 with over 100K chassis miles taking in $50K is ridiculous. You need to revise expectation. The car isn't even a 100% bugs worked out kind of a deal so the new owner would inherit problems...not what I would want in a $50K ride.

The original post in this thread invited criticism. It was put together very poorly if his intent was to sell a car for $50k...if it was presented accurately from the get go I would have never put my $.02 in.

 

One of my friend (he owns 21century performance shop) also married Lingenfeather's daughter has the new Z06 w/ cams, headers, exhaust, brakes, suspension on his car. His car was definately faster than mine in a road course granted I was still learning my big brake kit w/o antilock or power assist. His car accelerates faster than mine. As for the straight away, my car accelerates about the same speed as the new stock Z06. My car weights in approx 2200lbs and is probably making around 350rwhp.