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Old May 21, 2006 | 03:18 PM
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As an expression of interest i will offer 1 of them @ $AUD2500
plus shipping. Shipping can be easily arranged anywhere at buyers expense.
Originally Posted by rikgray
ps why are these intermediate plates made out of cast iron? seems like some weight could be saved with al, ti, or mg.
Racing Beat offers the side housings in aluminum for the 20b. They are not cheap, but are still less than what is being asked for those factory housings. Plus you get a better part with the Racing Beat housings. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

I hate price gouging....good luck on the sale btw
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Old May 21, 2006 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sir20
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As an expression of interest i will offer 1 of them @ $AUD2500
plus shipping. Shipping can be easily arranged anywhere at buyers expense.
dude, thats like $1800, plus shipping. for another 2 grand you could buy another 20b on ebay!!! good luck with that
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Old May 21, 2006 | 06:43 PM
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20b

Originally Posted by onefastrx7turbo
dude, thats like $1800, plus shipping. for another 2 grand you could buy another 20b on ebay!!! good luck with that
I know... i have 7 x 20B Engines
Umm money not the issue here
ill gladly keep my three plates as spares.
Cheers and thanks

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Old May 21, 2006 | 08:07 PM
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Before everyone goes nuts here, I have heard from two very reputable sources that Mazda is planning on doing another production run before the end of the year.
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Old May 22, 2006 | 10:41 AM
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Mazda speed will take the money for a back order. I am sure if enough people pre-pay and back order the centre plate, Mazda would be more apt to do a run to fill back orders and add a few for stock.

Soon enough, rotaryextreme will be reproducing the thick intermediate centre plates. They already make a killer billet centre shaft that is a direct replacement!
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Old May 22, 2006 | 01:08 PM
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Soon enough, rotaryextreme will be reproducing the thick intermediate centre plates. They already make a killer billet centre shaft that is a direct replacement!

Since when did Chuck start making custom internal engine parts?
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Old May 22, 2006 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CCarlisi
Before everyone goes nuts here, I have heard from two very reputable sources that Mazda is planning on doing another production run before the end of the year.
I heard it directly from the horses mouth at Mazdaspeed when I ordered a new rotor housing just last month.
They will not take pre-orders or deposits btw as I've already tried.
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Since when did Chuck start making custom internal engine parts?
I think he means Extreme Rotaries aka Guru Motorsports. They make custom e-shafts and stud kits for the 20b but did not know they were going to offer the int. housing too.

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Old May 22, 2006 | 05:47 PM
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Yes thank you. Extreme Rotaries told me personally that they were going to work on the thick intermediates but no expected time frame as of now.

Guru racing or Extreme Rotaries, i am not sure if they are the same or how they are connected but i do know they make some killer crazy rotary internals!

I ordered some stough from mazda speed when this thread started and asked about the thick intermediate and they told me they would take an order but it had to be paid in full. I did not do it because i had heard that it was out of production from the guys in Australlia and Mazda Speed USA did not know anything about the stopped production as they said they had already had some on back order. Maybe it was just the guy that answered the phone at that time. Sorry for the bad info.
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Old May 22, 2006 | 07:40 PM
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Wow so many different stories about what mazda has on hand and if they plan on making more.. I have have talked to some real BIG TIME Mazda Exec. guys and I have heard a VEry Different story. I was told that when Mazad got down to about the last 8 large center irons, they purposely ZEROED out the inventory list so that the last 8 Large center plates could not be sold. Reason behind this: The tooling to build new inventory of this part is either broken or DAMAGED and is useless. ALSO Since we have a few 20B powered HIGH profile ROAD Race cars currently being run, the last center plates where being reserved for them .... IE: ALMS
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Old May 22, 2006 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Auto Illusions
Yes thank you. Extreme Rotaries told me personally that they were going to work on the thick intermediates but no expected time frame as of now.


If they are going to do that, they need to go ahead and also make aluminum plates as well. Our engines could be lighter.
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Old May 26, 2006 | 07:43 PM
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scoop straight from Steve S. MNAO:

We are working with Mazda Corporate (Japan) to get some additional 20B thick center plates made. I have not yet confirmed the price but it will be substantially higher than the production part. I should know more about pricing and ETA within the next couple weeks.

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Old May 27, 2006 | 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Bern
scoop straight from Steve S. MNAO:




Cheers,

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Since the "Cat is out of the bag" so to speak I will now tell what I know of.

Mazda Japan know of the regular demand for the "CENTRE BEARING PLATES" & a way of keeping the supply happening is to allow the engineering shop to produce them. As a result of this labour intensive production technique, we must all pay a higher cost. Word has it that they will now increase in price to around the AU$3500 area or around a 250% jump in price.

If you have ever seen factory race PP rotor housings, you would know the casting is very average looking but the quality is much much higher than the series-production rotor housings thanks to the engineering shop facilities & labour that goes into their manufacture. I suspect (could be wrong) that the Centre bearing plates will have similar construction characteristics.

Expecting them to look shabby on the outside, yet the dimensions to be perfect & the working surface much higher in quality.

They considered allowing the shafts to be done but I have not heard if thats a "GO" yet. As GURU shafts are already available with much higher (price) quality & strength than the Mazda ones, word at head ofice is to allow the GURU ones to take the market possibly due to reasons I cant say right now. (Promised Rohan)

FYI, GURU is the marketing name of all the Extreme rotaries racing products. This way, there is no conflict if Racing Beat sell GURU parts if you know what I mean....

REgards

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Old May 27, 2006 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DMRH
Since the "Cat is out of the bag" so to speak I will now tell what I know of.
Mazda Japan know of the regular demand for the "CENTRE BEARING PLATES" & a way of keeping the supply happening is to allow the engineering shop to produce them. As a result of this labour intensive production technique, we must all pay a higher cost. Word has it that they will now increase in price to around the AU$3500 area or around a 250% jump in price.
If you have ever seen factory race PP rotor housings, you would know the casting is very average looking but the quality is much much higher than the series-production rotor housings thanks to the engineering shop facilities & labour that goes into their manufacture. I suspect (could be wrong) that the Centre bearing plates will have similar construction characteristics....

They considered allowing the shafts to be done but I have not heard if thats a "GO" yet. As GURU shafts are already available with much higher (price) quality & strength than the Mazda ones, word at head ofice is to allow the GURU ones to take the market possibly due to reasons I cant say right now. (Promised Rohan)

FYI, GURU is the marketing name of all the Extreme rotaries racing products. This way, there is no conflict if Racing Beat sell GURU parts if you know what I mean....

REgards
wow, I didn't know that all this was so secret. It's been common knowledge for about a year now that Mazda was going to start introducing new 20B parts, due to the renewed interest Mazda has in 3-rotor racing in North America (Grand-Am GT & ALMS P2). They also understood that there are quite a few SCCA & vintage type racers that also need these parts, and therefore saw another avenue to generate revenue for MazdaSpeed Motorsports, which supports most of the factory racing efforts. Almost simple, supply & demand, but with a twist that factory jump-started the demand side by going racing again!
The rest of the GURU story will need to be told others!

-Bern
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Old May 29, 2006 | 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Bern
wow, I didn't know that all this was so secret.
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Yeah mate, I know what you mean. Probably common knowledge to you & I type of people Bern but the average "Joe blow" wouldn't have known this from what feedback I get on this side of the moat......

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Old May 30, 2006 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DMRH
Yeah mate, I know what you mean. Probably common knowledge to you & I type of people Bern but the average "Joe blow" wouldn't have known this from what feedback I get on this side of the moat......

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Gotcha!

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Old Jun 21, 2006 | 01:20 PM
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where on the guru site is their billet 20b e-shaft? i was looking for it and can't find it.
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Old Jun 21, 2006 | 02:22 PM
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under "new products"

price: $3,700 AUD, or $2k USD. Honest, I haven't been pricing 3-rotor stuff...

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Old Jun 21, 2006 | 02:33 PM
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price: $3,700 AUD, or $2k USD. Honest, I haven't been pricing 3-rotor stuff...

Thanks. I am pricing out the worst case scenario for a possible widebody FB 20b project with a GT42R with a 1.15 AR, Microtech, FD box, Ford 9" from Granny's, etc. etc.
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Old Jun 21, 2006 | 09:50 PM
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Thanks. I am pricing out the worst case scenario for a possible widebody FB 20b project with a GT42R with a 1.15 AR, Microtech, FD box, Ford 9" from Granny's, etc. etc.
the only problem with ur swap is the amount of custom fabbing that needs to be done in order for the engine to fit....i would say around $12000-15000 with a rebuilt motor and u fabb up all the mounts & brackets...i would know cuz i have about $13k into mine and it dont even run yet :-D
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Old Jun 22, 2006 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by RoTaRyBoYz
the only problem with ur swap is the amount of custom fabbing that needs to be done in order for the engine to fit....i would say around $12000-15000 with a rebuilt motor and u fabb up all the mounts & brackets...i would know cuz i have about $13k into mine and it dont even run yet :-D
I'm expecting to drop about 20k under the hood, plus drivetrain upgrades, plus wheels, plus brakes, plus suspension, plus (insert whatever you want). I'm planning on getting all of the parts around over the next 5 or so years and then doing the media blasting and everything all at once so it's not down for 3 months here, three months there.
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Originally Posted by whitey85mtu
I'm expecting to drop about 20k under the hood, plus drivetrain upgrades, plus wheels, plus brakes, plus suspension, plus (insert whatever you want). I'm planning on getting all of the parts around over the next 5 or so years and then doing the media blasting and everything all at once so it's not down for 3 months here, three months there.
good luck with the project and BTW dont forget the just for men hair dye, u will definately need it
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 11:02 AM
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good luck with the project and BTW dont forget the just for men hair dye, u will definately need it

lol, i hope not . I'm only 21, so if my hair starts to go grey, i'm going to freak.
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 06:52 PM
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FOR SALE NEW 20B PLATES and HOUSINGS

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I'ave been told that I got the last plates (20b) in New Zealand, managed to get a housing, trying for the other two housings.
sorry about the pics of the plates--taking with my phone.(and plates are still in the bays) Was told by the Mazda parts Dealer that there are No E-shafts, so I'll be looking at after market ones---seen one on a New Zealand Auction site--(trade me) for $2600 (NZ)

Hi Dave, the time has come I need to look at selling these plates and housings I got from you.

I am looking for expressions of interest and an idea on what someone may be willing to pay for them. I have all the plates including the thick one all new and ALL genuine Mazda, I also have 3 brand new 20B housings. Everything is is original boxes etc...

Thanks for reading my post
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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 12:06 AM
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Wow so many different stories about what mazda has on hand and if they plan on making more.. I have have talked to some real BIG TIME Mazda Exec. guys and I have heard a VEry Different story. I was told that when Mazad got down to about the last 8 large center irons, they purposely ZEROED out the inventory list so that the last 8 Large center plates could not be sold. Reason behind this: The tooling to build new inventory of this part is either broken or DAMAGED and is useless. ALSO Since we have a few 20B powered HIGH profile ROAD Race cars currently being run, the last center plates where being reserved for them .... IE: ALMS
Hey, I tried to reply to your PM but I am new so don't have enough posts to PM you back. $10k NZD is what I'm after for the plates and housings. Keep it in mind.

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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 2rotornz
Hey, I tried to reply to your PM but I am new so don't have enough posts to PM you back. $10k NZD is what I'm after for the plates and housings. Keep it in mind.

Cheers Rodger
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I doubt you will find a US buyer who will spend that much for those parts..

Maybe at $5000.00 but not $8600.00
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