ChunkyMonkey

iTrader: (1)

I disagree with you. I was brought up around guns. Since I could hold one, my family educated me on their proper use(at the time is was about hunting, not about fear back then) and handling. It takes a person to pull the trigger, teaching them young is the way it's always been in my family. All these laws won't keep them from falling into the wrong hands. There will always be a way to get them....Look at drugs....Anyways, this has been and always will be a touchy subject. I'll stick with my opinion as you will with yours.....

Supper

I think its funny all of you canadians bashing us for being so "afraid" that we have to carry guns all the time. Maybe the people that live in the city are afraid and need to do that, but not where I'm from.

Up here we carry guns for pretty much one purpose. Hunting.

ANd that is why I am trying to figure out some way to mount a gun rack in the back of my FB tied to the roll cage so there could be some rally/hunting fun.

as far as the original question goes:

I carry a few too many firearms in my pickup at all times (you never know what you might wind up wanting to shoot out in the boonies) along with anywhere between 1,000 - 3,000 rounds of ammunition total. Thats just normal for my pickup, when we actually intend to go out target shooting, the numbers just over double.

bullshit.

How about this one, the only way a child will respect fire is to get burned. Unless they are taught respect for a weapon such as a firearm, how are they to know how to properly handle it. A person who believes the world would do better without this kind of a knowledge is a person with their head too far up their ***.

And yes, I am very biased on this subject, but know way too many people that prove your argument completely and utterly false.

also, as far as "condone and effectivly promote their use" well... **** yeah.

We promote their intended use. i.e. target shooting, hunting, plinking. NOT MURDER.






edit: this would be more suited in Difference of Opinion

DAVID GRIMES

Facts: I have owned guns for over 30 years... pistols for over 25 years.
I have never had to shoot anyone.
I have never had a gun stolen.
I have raised 4 kids and they have never played with a gun.
I do not have the gun in a safe or laying around in the open, but...

You come in my home, I assure you I'll know it. And if I'm there ? I got the home protection gun (a Browning .22 LR target pistol ) in one place handy and the clip in the other. ( For safety ). The first round is ratshot that is also in the clip backwards ( both my extra safeties for kids that could have but never did get more curious than sure I'd beat their little asses quicker than you can dial 911 ). I flick it out with my thumb and mate the clip to the gun in an instant. Of the 9 remaining rounds, the first 1 is ratshot ( in case a kid ever got that far ) and the last 8 are CCI Stinger hollowpoints.

Guns are here and me not having one won't make them or the bad guys go away. But me having one will make them go away one way or another.

TrineonX

I lived in South America, someone stole my bike once, they were very nice about it, I'm not afraid of thiefs, I wouldn't consider ever carrying a gun, I got over it and went out and bought a new bike. It's wierd, most of the people who carry guns live in suburbs where serious crime isn't an issue, and have never actually had anything happen to them. Handgun carriers just love to talk about what will happen when some punk messes with them, I've never heard of a punk actually messing with them though. I live in inner city Denver, and I take jogs after ten at night, talk to the homeless (gasp) and have never been worried about assault or crime, get over yourselfs and put the gun away. Think of it this way, if a gun has to be pulled, you are under the kind of stress when people shouldn't have a finger on the trigger. Cops **** up all the time, and they are trained for hours, and are expecting to have to use their weapons. If I was really worried about crime, I would learn a fighting art, you can effectively disarm anyone, and prevent their escape.

Supper

never once have I actually heard someone who does concealed carry talk about "what will happen"

the only people that ever talk like that are the hotshot wannabe heros. Most of the people I know who do concealed carry, you wouldn't even know it unless they told you/showed you.

DAVID GRIMES

The only reason we don't teach our kids how to handle pipe bombs and butterfly knives is because those things are against the law Plus, every schoolboy knows you don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

Them pipebombs are not very stealthy, either. I reckon you could stick one down in your pant leg. So if a stranger comes up lookin like he's REAL HAPPY to see you, just shoot him in the eye 'cause he's aither a pipebomb carrier or a ****** and we don't need either one of them around here.

Notice: The views expressed in this post may not be the views of the author, but instead an inflammatory treatise to incite the reader to quit being a Wah My ***** Hurts liberal.

Supper

damn... you guys must live in really opressive states, butterfly knives are perfectly legal here. Hell, half of the time we went to school with them.

but then again... this is Wyoming where the "blue scourge" has yet to infest.

Wankelguy

Freud said that a fear of weapons is a sign of immaturity.

After all, guns are merely inanimate objects with no capability for self-actualization.

That being said, I own guns (lots of 'em) because I happen to LIKE 'em, and because I CAN.

In fact, in honor of this thread I think I'm going to get me a little nickel-plated S&W.38 snubbie with a shrouded hammer.

How many of you puck-slapping maple suckers can say that?

DAVID GRIMES

Cool ! I had a S&W H frame .38 in snub nose, with the hammer shaved and Dick Tracy grips. What they call a "belly gun". Loud as a Wankel with header only !!!

Jager

iTrader: (10)

I personally have also been brought up around guns. Really education is everything. I'm not old enough to carry one in a car (you have to be 21 here I think). To me they are a tool which is dangerous, so with a firearm I'm very safe and such. We also have never had a gun stolen or remotely that way. Just my .02 cents.

Btw:
I own a Colt 1911 .45 pistol (my uncle brought it back from the military) and a Glock. Both have only been shot at a gravel pit while in my possession.

Wankelguy

I'm not too into stainless steel guns, myself.

Most of my stuff is older high-polished blue from the '60s.

jim_chung

iTrader: (2)

As a puck slapping maple sucking Canadian I don't want to comment on respective national gun control laws. I'm actually rather interested in gun design and development but the one thing nobody has touched on is how having a gun, especially a concealed gun, changes your perspective. That hidden ace in hole that you think you have may make you overconfident and cocky when walking away from a situation may have been the best solution for all parties. It's great y'all are educated in gun safety and markmanship but it takes an altogether different training to shoot another human being - and not to miss and hit someone else entirely.

cosmicbang

Interesting theory. So presumably the best way for children to not use drugs is to not have them around drugs, ...etc., etc... The problem is you won't be around their entire lives to ensure they never have any contact with firearms and never need to use one.If pipe bombs are as common in your neighbourhood as land mines are in some, then you should teach them how to handle them safely. Kids get killed and hands blown off by blasting caps because they don't know what they are. Kids need to know about the dangers they might encounter in the world. Knowing how to handle a firearm and shoot is a survival skill, even if you never use it.Absolutely true, I agree.What's wrong with that? My grandmother learned how to shoot when she was 12, and worked as an armed guard during WW 2. She also shot jackrabbits for meat during the war, when meat was rationed. She carried a pistol her whole life. My mother has a concealed weapons permit and carries a gun everywhere. I grew up in a house with loaded guns in the nightstands, but was taught how dangerous they were and to never touch them. Similarly, I used to play around the airport but I was taught to never get near a propeller. Personally, I have no inclination to carry a gun (except the wilderness or a war zone) because I don't feel the need to. However, if I were a female, 100 lbs lighter, and lived in an inner city, it might be different. My kids will definitely know how to handle firearms.

BTW, in order to have some relevance, we should really discuss how to store guns in a 1st generation RX-7.

leif

other then oregon...all red states...good job yall...keep the human race progressin...your doing a fine job

cosmicbang

"red states"? It isn't that kind of simple political issue. My pistol-packing grandmother and mother are both Democrats, very strong ones.

Wankelguy

I'm still trying to figure out what the hell this is supposed to mean.

cosmicbang

Who knows?

jimmdog

Please end this madness Where are our Mod. dudes this **** Should Be In The ******* Lounge This Has Nothing To Do With 1st. Gens. Have A Merry Christmas
By the way its snowing its *** off right now Puck Slappers

Wankelguy

As a recording artist, the term "puck-slappers" is my intellectual property and must be licensed through my publishing company, TROUT Music, ltd.

Thank You.

DAVID GRIMES

Isn't he the dead dude that shot himself because his Mother had a first gen and she wouldn't let him put a V8 in it ?

( Now this thread has a tie-in to first gen so it can stay here. )

Fromslowtogo

man i'm canadian but that made me laugh so hard i almost cried lets get this straight

according to most of the ignorant on here:

americans are either gun slinging gang bangers or trigger happy rednecks

canadians are peace loving dope smoking hippies ....

frankly a gun is your choice no one else's i hunt i own guns i like guns dont have any for home protection but thats because its not nessicary where i live. but im sure if this bunch of tree hugging hippie's of a canadian government we seem to have would get involved in the world and not being peace keepers it would be better. I don't like bush anymore then most but im sure if some whacked out osama lookin **** slams into our molson brewery killing all us hippies trigger happy bush will be happy to carpet bomb them for us lol so id rather have the americans on our side keeps me safe.\

i like america and i hope you dollar keeps falling so i can buy more parts for my precious 7

in closing i love my 7 lol

Bass

Comparing drug use and guns is apples and oranges. Yes, it would be better not to smoke a crack pipe in front of the kids. It would be better to talk to the kids about the positives/negatives about drug use. Of course the kids from both types of environments will likely experiment with drugs. Odds are in favour for the kids who didn't grow up with open drug use at home will have a safer experience.

I agree that if a kid is growing up in an environment that has them exposed to land mines etc..., than of course teach them how to handle them safely.

As far as generalising use of firearms as a survival skill- again this is totally within relation to environment. Around here, shooting is a skill for hunting, that which I will teach my sons when they are old enough. It certainly isn't considered a survival skill here.

NewRXr

I got into this debate a few years ago with some Canidian freinds a few years ago on the Thunderbird SC board, I'm too lazy to type the whole story again so thank you cut and paste.

I used to fight fair. I don't start trouble but I never back down (within reason). The last guy who got up to whip my *** when he had no business doing so pulled a knife out of his pocket when I had him in a head lock and was telling him to knock it off and stop fighting me. His knife went in just above my stomach, right under my right lung, just to the side of my pancreous, and just knicked my liver. I was lifeflighted (helecopter ambulance to some) and cut from rib cage to belt line by the surgens at the major trama hospital in Houston. The whole time I was praying I didn't die because of my three young children. I myself know Jesus and have no fear of my own death. My mother was able to see me in the first abulance while we were waiting for the helecopter and she went into a mild cardiac arrest but was able to be treated right away and did fine. It took me months to recover from the operation and it almost ruined my credit when the insurance changed hands at work the same week. My friends, family, and fellow church members had to buy me and my kids groceries and pay about a month and a half of my bills before my disability insurance kicked in. I will have this 9" scar for the rest of my life. The guy that did it got off scott free because the only other witnesses were his friends and family members.

That will never happen again, as I said from now on I'm going home. I don't play with anyone, don't screw with my life if you value your own. Especially a car load of drunken punks who go out looking for trouble with a guy and his woman just out to have a night on the town minding their own business.

Not long after we bought our handguns we went into the hip part of Houston to see a movie two weeks before Christmas. I stashed my .045 in the trunk and unplugged the fuel pump at the same time just like always. Afterwards as we were walking back to the car around midnight I noticed a guy well dressed (for hip hoppers) and carrying a hand bag watching us and making a intercepting path. There was another couple just behind us. My instincts told me that he was trouble and I trust my instincts. I could tell that we would reach the car before he would so I told Celia to watch him and not let him grab her. I used the alarm remote to pop the trunk and pulled the .045 out of it's case just in time to hear him say, "You got sumpthin for me?" I turned around about 6 feet still between us with the gun pointed straight at him and said "NO!" he was looking at Celia and had started towards her so I caught him off guard. He looked at me stopped and did a double take, took his hand out of his bag and said, "Oh you come prepaired huh?" I said "Yeah." And he turned around and walked back to where he came from. The other couple saw the whole thing go down and layed more rubber in thier Passat than I did in the SC getting out of there.

I haven't got all day to explain myself to everyone, I have a life. I could tell you at least five more examples where my gun protected me and mine or if I had one at the time I would have been better off but maybe this will help you understand me, or some Americans like me at least. I'm no pro gun NRA fanatic and I don't even hunt. Also my kids don't play with tools of death out of the knowledged I've imparted in them, nor do they have to grow up feeling out of place and hated enough to use guns to kill others. I morn for the victims of firearm violence as much as anyone but I refuse to become one of them without a fair fight.

Vernon

cosmicbang

They are both subjects they need to know about. No, teaching kids about drugs does not usually mean sharing notes about the best herbal varieties, instruction in the proper use of a crack pipe, or how to shoot up. Safe gun handling instruction, on the other hand, could involve shooting.No one can predict what environments a kid will be in for his/her entire life, and it is impossible to predict what skills might or might not be needed in the course of life. Firearms are present in nearly all environments, and unexpected situations can arise where knowing how to use one could be, if not a life-or-death survival skill, at least quite handy. It's simply being prepared.Ok great. So you will give them "step-by-step instructions on handling weapons." Then I must have misunderstood your other post and thought you meant children should not be around guns. Happy hunting.

BTW, What is the best way to mount a gun rack in a 1985 RX-7? And should the deer go on the hood or in the hatchback?

prew

iTrader: (9)

so you and your wife didnt get robbed, big deal. by pulling a gun you took the situation to a whole new level. your seriously lucky he didnt try to shoot you himself.

this is coming from someone who lives in what i believe to be the worst part of philthadelphia. this past semester has been my first living in my own house there. so far two people have been shot by resisting a basic robbery on the same block as me. and my house has been burglarized twice while i have been on holiday break. from my experience criminals do not want to go to jail for life for killing someone, they want to rob you and be done with it. let them do it and get to safety, this is why theres that thing called inssurrance.

also what would you guys do if someone came up to your car to steal it pretending to have a gun in their pocket? are you just gonna blast them dead on the street? if so you'd be the one going to jail.