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Why is your 21 y/o car more advanced than my 2003?

Old Jun 28, 2004 | 09:42 PM
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Matrix/Vibe isn't anything particularly new.
You can buy a cheap supercharger for a good price on the GM parts.
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Old Jun 28, 2004 | 11:23 PM
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About BMW, I thought I heard once a controlling interest in the company was owned by some little old 80 year old lady; I don't know how true that is but she's probably dead now. Mr. BMW's widow.
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Old Jun 28, 2004 | 11:31 PM
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BMW is jointly owned/controlled by the Quandt family. Maybe that's what you're thinking of.

BTW - BMW stands for Bavarian Motor Works, translated into English.
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Old Jun 28, 2004 | 11:50 PM
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Like Manntis said, they are sharing a platform, but the two companies are totally independent. It's not the first time they've shared platforms, of course. The 356 was based on the Beetle, rear engine, swing axle and all. The 914 and 924 also had alot of VW parts (they were first going to be VWs).
wasnt there also a karmanghea probably spelled wrong that was another joint car, also off topic, nut a 944 engine will fit into a bug one of my friends did this (too much money dad gave him a bug "its not fast enough to do any real damage")
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Old Jun 29, 2004 | 05:42 PM
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the Karmann-Ghia was a special body built by Karmann, designed by Ghia, and stuffed on a VW chassis.
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Old Jun 29, 2004 | 08:37 PM
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I can't think of any options that you could get on a GSL that weren't also available on Cadilacs in the 1960s.
did 60's caddy'd have rear disc brakes(hell discs anywhere), and Limited Slip?
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Old Jun 29, 2004 | 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by peejay
Your A4 is basically a Passat, or the other way around. They're the VWAG "B5" chassis, if you have what i think you have.

But hey, NSU (or what it Audi?) had a neat little engine that they got from Mercedes-Benz (or the other way around), then VW bought the company, stuffed it into their Dashers and Rabbits, and they're still using the same engine more than thirty years later...

I think it was an NSU engine, then Audi acquired NSU, then VW acquired Audi. Or maybe VW acquired Audi before NSU became one of the rings in the Audi logo. I forget the lineage, it's been a while since I was a VW nut.
audi lineage is sorta weird, in the 30's audi, horscht, wanderer and dkw pooled their resources to build cars, they called it auto union, with the 4 rings.

after ww2 this somehow becomes audi, and nsu gets lumped in there somewhere too, and the whole mess (if you've ever worked on one....) gets sold to vw in 69.
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Old Jun 29, 2004 | 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by Elysian
did 60's caddy'd have rear disc brakes(hell discs anywhere), and Limited Slip?
Limited slip, probably, maybe not.

Rear discs - probably not, but front discs definitely.

Front discs started getting to be mainstream in the mid 60's in American cars, especially after they ditched the trouble prone 4 piston calipers for more reliable single piston setups.* Rear discs were an option on some cars (notably the F-bodies) in the 60's, and of course, all Corvettes from '65ish (maybe as early as '63 or '64?) all the way to the '82 had four wheel, four piston discs. With a divorced parking brake, the way it SHOULD be.

Rear anti-lock brakes was an option on my '72 T-bird (it was a strippo model so it didn't have it), and my '76 T-bird *did* have it but it was disabled. Buick had traction control on their Rivieras as an option starting in '71 or '73. Chrysler had four wheel discs as an option for '75 and '76. Most of these goodies died for 1977 when mass downsizing occured in the American auto industry. And then there were the handful of '74 model GMs and I think Mercurys that had airbags, few people bought it because it added 25% to the price of the car.

We had all manner of neat stuff back then, but the problem is the market wasn't that technophilic so few people bought it.

As mentioned before, Bosch bought the license to the Rochester fuel injection system first seen on Chevys in the mid 50's, tweaked it, and sold it as K-Jetronic, also known as CIS. Chevy abandoned it because it was more expensive than carbs and didn't promise any performance gains. (This was *before* smog laws were put into effect)

* - The trouble was, the four piston calipers in use put the seals on the pistons instead of in the bores. The bores would corrode and the seals would leak, if the corrosion didn't lock the piston solidly in place to begin with. If the rotor wasn't perfectly true, the action of the pistons knocking back and forth would allow air to get sucked in, causing a spongy pedal over time. The single piston calipers, of course, solved this by putting the seals in the bores, so as the piston moved outwards with wear the seal was exposed to fresh, not corroded, metal, and the chance of corrosion locking the piston in place was minimal. Even though I have to rebuild my left front caliper every few months because rust siezes the piston in place...

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Old Jun 29, 2004 | 10:20 PM
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Did they have fm radio?!!
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Old Jun 29, 2004 | 10:29 PM
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Don't make me dig out my books.

No, seriously, don't make me. I should be digging out a 12A, not a tattered, broken-binding old book.
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Old Jun 29, 2004 | 10:57 PM
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I heard you could get a disk-brake delete option on a few late sixties camaro's; and those are some of the most prized camaros today.
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Old Jun 29, 2004 | 11:05 PM
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yeah well did they come with rotary engines? :O lol and can i get a big duh? haha
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Old Jun 29, 2004 | 11:11 PM
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Go to the back of the class.
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Old Jun 29, 2004 | 11:14 PM
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 12:27 AM
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Okay, it's 1:30 AM, I have to be at work at 8am tomorrow, but not only is the 12A dug out of the garage but it's sitting on my passenger side floorboards right now. As well as my engine stand, which took longer to dig out of the basement than the engine did to dig out of the garage.

Crikey, rotaries are heavy. I can barehand RB Mopar blocks and those weigh 220, my bare 12A weighs much more than that. Could barely lift it up over the sill.

No more procrastination, work starts tomorrow. Err, today.
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by peejay
Okay, it's 1:30 AM, I have to be at work at 8am tomorrow, but not only is the 12A dug out of the garage but it's sitting on my passenger side floorboards right now. As well as my engine stand, which took longer to dig out of the basement than the engine did to dig out of the garage.

Crikey, rotaries are heavy. I can barehand RB Mopar blocks and those weigh 220, my bare 12A weighs much more than that. Could barely lift it up over the sill.

No more procrastination, work starts tomorrow. Err, today.
heh i barehanded my repu's 76-78 J spec 4 port 13B... it was a SOB but somehow i got it all the way into the trunk of my gf's nissan sentra.... i couldn't get it back out tho haha
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 02:14 AM
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Your R5 13B? It's nitrided so it's a '79 or later.
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 03:24 AM
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Damn guys, lot of knowledge going around. Glad you guys typed it up for us!
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 07:48 AM
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Your R5 13B? It's nitrided so it's a '79 or later.
well those rotor housings were 76-78 j spec, according to atkins
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 05:42 PM
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The nitriding was done to side housings, not rotor housings.

I got the flywheel off of my '80 engine (took 2 minutes, go figure) and wham, R5 on the rear housing.

I'm going to feel bad about filling the intake ports with JB Weld...

- Pete (No, not really. )
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by peejay
The nitriding was done to side housings, not rotor housings.

I got the flywheel off of my '80 engine (took 2 minutes, go figure) and wham, R5 on the rear housing.

I'm going to feel bad about filling the intake ports with JB Weld...

- Pete (No, not really. )
i know, i wasn't referring to the nitriding, atkins identified my motor as a 76-78 j spec based on the rotor housings
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 09:45 PM
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Did they have fm radio?!!
my brothers 62 mercedes has am/fm radio....
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 09:57 PM
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I thought fm radio wasnt out then :O
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 11:13 PM
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I thought fm radio wasnt out then :O
me too! but its the original one, must be like that ipod bmw thing today....
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Old Jun 30, 2004 | 11:26 PM
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62 Cadillac Fleetwood... should solve some debate... Power steering (effortless... i can throw the wheel with my fingertips), Power brakes, A/C , you can have heat on bottom and A/c on top if you want to too,AM Radio, Power windows (all 8 including wing windows), Power Locks, Power Seats, Cruise Control, Power Trunk, Automatic Dimmer Swtch (turns off high beams when it senses oncoming headlights), Reading lights, and 4 ashtrays with cig lighters... not to mention the biggest and best back seat ever!

P.S. Power Antenna too, and an automatic parking brake release when you shift into reverse or drive... i should really go check the owners manual...

P.P.S. Limited Slip... yes, as an option, Front disks... NO NO NO just really really really huge drums

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