Why is your 21 y/o car more advanced than my 2003?
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Re: Why is your 21 y/o car more advanced than my 2003?
Originally posted by tjgosurf
I hear this from my room mate all the time, who bitches and complains about his 2003 lancer. Hes quite upset that my little FB is quicker than his car and handles better. He blames the extra 8 inches in his cabin. I tell him hes just slow on the shifter.
I hear this from my room mate all the time, who bitches and complains about his 2003 lancer. Hes quite upset that my little FB is quicker than his car and handles better. He blames the extra 8 inches in his cabin. I tell him hes just slow on the shifter.
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Originally posted by jays83gsl
So, in chain effect, VW owns Lambo, that's what I'm gettin' at
Who owns Bimmer nowsadays? Volky?
What about Italian Crap, er, Ferrari? (sorry, can't help myself)
So, in chain effect, VW owns Lambo, that's what I'm gettin' at
Who owns Bimmer nowsadays? Volky?
What about Italian Crap, er, Ferrari? (sorry, can't help myself)
BMW is independent, they own Bentley. I think that's it.
Ferrari has been owned by Fiat for a number of years now. Fiat is a pretty wide spread company but I have no idea who else they own. They're in financial trouble right now and trying to force GM to buy them out, some kind of contractual deal. GM wouldn't get Ferrari in the deal though.
Oh, and Lotus who was owned by GM for a number of years is owned by Proton, a group of Milasian investors who also used to own Bugatti.
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Originally posted by jays83gsl
Nissan owns Datsun
Nissan owns Datsun
Daimler Chrysler (DCX) is just now reaping the true benefits from the takeover. And yes, it was a takeover. They called it a merger but there's legal action going on by former Chryco shareholders because the power structure, etc. demonstrates that Germany, like Japan, may have lost the war but is winning the peace. The new Chrysler Crossfire is basically a Mercedes in domestic clothing.
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It really depends on what you consider "advanced".
If you're talking about quarter-mile times, then pick up a '60s Mustang or Camaro and you'll toast a brand new Prius, but the transmission which controls the transfer of power from the engine to the electric motor is certainly more advanced than the transmission on the muscle car. Caddies had all sorts of fancy power convenience items in the 60s, but you can get a Lexus today with a cruise control system that will adjust your speed to maintain a safe distance behind the car in front of you. The RX-7 has plenty of "advanced" features, especially in the top trim models which would be the equivalent of a $30,000 car today. So, compare that Lancer to the $30,000 cars that are out there, and compare the RX-7 to a $30k 2004 model. Certainly, you'll find that today's $30k car has more advanced safey features (so-called "intelligent" airbags, ABS to protect the timid from themselves, computer-controlled AWD systems that "transfer power from the wheels that slip to the wheels that grip", crumple-zones to absorb the kinetic energy in the event of an impact). Constant velocity transmissions, hybrid drive trains, GPS navigational systems, OnStar, just to name a few.
If you're talking about quarter-mile times, then pick up a '60s Mustang or Camaro and you'll toast a brand new Prius, but the transmission which controls the transfer of power from the engine to the electric motor is certainly more advanced than the transmission on the muscle car. Caddies had all sorts of fancy power convenience items in the 60s, but you can get a Lexus today with a cruise control system that will adjust your speed to maintain a safe distance behind the car in front of you. The RX-7 has plenty of "advanced" features, especially in the top trim models which would be the equivalent of a $30,000 car today. So, compare that Lancer to the $30,000 cars that are out there, and compare the RX-7 to a $30k 2004 model. Certainly, you'll find that today's $30k car has more advanced safey features (so-called "intelligent" airbags, ABS to protect the timid from themselves, computer-controlled AWD systems that "transfer power from the wheels that slip to the wheels that grip", crumple-zones to absorb the kinetic energy in the event of an impact). Constant velocity transmissions, hybrid drive trains, GPS navigational systems, OnStar, just to name a few.
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Originally posted by Manntis
In all other cases mentioned, the car company is a separate entity that is owned by the parent car co. In the case of Datsun it was a brand synonymous with, not independant from, Nissan.
In all other cases mentioned, the car company is a separate entity that is owned by the parent car co. In the case of Datsun it was a brand synonymous with, not independant from, Nissan.
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Originally posted by purple82
People's needs haven't changed much have they? But I wouldn't say the Rx-7 was ahead of it's time at all.
By the way, I don't think you're 71 Mercedes has EFI. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think they were all mechanical fuel injection.
People's needs haven't changed much have they? But I wouldn't say the Rx-7 was ahead of it's time at all.
By the way, I don't think you're 71 Mercedes has EFI. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think they were all mechanical fuel injection.
the ecu is analog, like a gsl-se
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The base price of a GSL-SE in 1984 was $15,295, adjusted for inflation in 2002 the price would have been $26,522 a decent amount, and about the same as an RX-8 would cost. (don't have 2004 inflation info)
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Originally posted by purple82
It's getting further and further off the subject, but what the hell...
Jeep is what's left of AMC, but Jeep was bought by AMC (from ******) in the 50s (I think it was the 50s). Eagle never really had any old AMC products that I can remember, it was a division made up of cars that could be sold along side Jeeps in dealerships.
It's getting further and further off the subject, but what the hell...
Jeep is what's left of AMC, but Jeep was bought by AMC (from ******) in the 50s (I think it was the 50s). Eagle never really had any old AMC products that I can remember, it was a division made up of cars that could be sold along side Jeeps in dealerships.
In the inverse of how "Rambler" used to be a brand name in the AMC lineup, similar to Chevy or Buick in the GM lineup, but later just became a model of "AMC", in the last years of AMC, "Eagle" became its own brand name. The last Eagles ('87ish?) were not badged as AMC, as I recall.
So yes there were some Eagles that had direct AMC lineage!
And don't forget, ChryCo *still* uses the AMC six cylinder...
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Originally posted by neofreak
The base price of a GSL-SE in 1984 was $15,295, adjusted for inflation in 2002 the price would have been $26,522 a decent amount, and about the same as an RX-8 would cost. (don't have 2004 inflation info)
The base price of a GSL-SE in 1984 was $15,295, adjusted for inflation in 2002 the price would have been $26,522 a decent amount, and about the same as an RX-8 would cost. (don't have 2004 inflation info)
But in any event, the GSL-SE did not have anywhere NEAR the safety technology that is mandated today, which also drives the cost of cars up. Roughly a quarter of the cost of a new car is due to federal safety specs.
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From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally posted by peejay
I thought we figured that adjusted for inflation it'd be more like $40k?
But in any event, the GSL-SE did not have anywhere NEAR the safety technology that is mandated today, which also drives the cost of cars up. Roughly a quarter of the cost of a new car is due to federal safety specs.
I thought we figured that adjusted for inflation it'd be more like $40k?
But in any event, the GSL-SE did not have anywhere NEAR the safety technology that is mandated today, which also drives the cost of cars up. Roughly a quarter of the cost of a new car is due to federal safety specs.
my 71 benz adjusted for inflation is in the $40,000 ballpark too......
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Originally posted by purple82
Porsche is totally independant and proud of it, apperantly.
Porsche is totally independant and proud of it, apperantly.
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Originally posted by peejay
AMC's last product was the Eagle, which was based on the Spirit, which was based on the Hornet, which was based (more loosely) on the Rambler.
In the inverse of how "Rambler" used to be a brand name in the AMC lineup, similar to Chevy or Buick in the GM lineup, but later just became a model of "AMC", in the last years of AMC, "Eagle" became its own brand name. The last Eagles ('87ish?) were not badged as AMC, as I recall.
So yes there were some Eagles that had direct AMC lineage!
And don't forget, ChryCo *still* uses the AMC six cylinder...
AMC's last product was the Eagle, which was based on the Spirit, which was based on the Hornet, which was based (more loosely) on the Rambler.
In the inverse of how "Rambler" used to be a brand name in the AMC lineup, similar to Chevy or Buick in the GM lineup, but later just became a model of "AMC", in the last years of AMC, "Eagle" became its own brand name. The last Eagles ('87ish?) were not badged as AMC, as I recall.
So yes there were some Eagles that had direct AMC lineage!
And don't forget, ChryCo *still* uses the AMC six cylinder...
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Originally posted by CARLiTO_
Porsche is also owned by VW, look at the resemblance in the VW touareg and the Porsche Cayenne.
Porsche is also owned by VW, look at the resemblance in the VW touareg and the Porsche Cayenne.
Porsche is independant, but like GM and Ford teaming up on new trannies, Porsche and VAG (Volkswagen/Audi) teamed up to engineer the cayanne/touareg.
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Originally posted by CARLiTO_
Porsche is also owned by VW, look at the resemblance in the VW touareg and the Porsche Cayenne. Both share the same frame and some of the same technologies.
Porsche is also owned by VW, look at the resemblance in the VW touareg and the Porsche Cayenne. Both share the same frame and some of the same technologies.
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the current head of vw, ferdinand peich, is related to the porsche family and sort of ran porsche from the late 60's until the family kicked themselves out of management in 73-74.
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Originally posted by j9fd3s
the current head of vw, ferdinand peich, is related to the porsche family and sort of ran porsche from the late 60's until the family kicked themselves out of management in 73-74.
the current head of vw, ferdinand peich, is related to the porsche family and sort of ran porsche from the late 60's until the family kicked themselves out of management in 73-74.
They do a lot of work with VW because the two companies go way back (and yeah Ferdy Peich is the grandson or something of Ferdinand Porsche). They also do work with Mercedes-Benz (to the point of even assembling cars for them!) and of course Audi.
Allegedly GM too.
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Originally posted by fatboy7
GM owns partial stock in Toyota, and Toyota owns partial stock in GM. Their love-child: Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe.
GM owns partial stock in Toyota, and Toyota owns partial stock in GM. Their love-child: Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe.
Matrix/Vibe isn't anything particularly new.
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Your A4 is basically a Passat, or the other way around. They're the VWAG "B5" chassis, if you have what i think you have.
But hey, NSU (or what it Audi?) had a neat little engine that they got from Mercedes-Benz (or the other way around), then VW bought the company, stuffed it into their Dashers and Rabbits, and they're still using the same engine more than thirty years later...
I think it was an NSU engine, then Audi acquired NSU, then VW acquired Audi. Or maybe VW acquired Audi before NSU became one of the rings in the Audi logo. I forget the lineage, it's been a while since I was a VW nut.
But hey, NSU (or what it Audi?) had a neat little engine that they got from Mercedes-Benz (or the other way around), then VW bought the company, stuffed it into their Dashers and Rabbits, and they're still using the same engine more than thirty years later...
I think it was an NSU engine, then Audi acquired NSU, then VW acquired Audi. Or maybe VW acquired Audi before NSU became one of the rings in the Audi logo. I forget the lineage, it's been a while since I was a VW nut.
