wheel adapters for 4 x 110 to 4 x 100? wtf?
08-18-02, 08:53 AM
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If this were made from steel (heavier than aluminum) it becomes even more critical that each of these spacers os balanced, or they'll cause vibration as they rotate and stress your bearings.
This seems at once a dangerous and mickey mouse retrotech way of simplifying your search for rims. Why not just avoid the made-for-Honda style and find ones that fit your car, without resorting to things that turn your stylish ReX into a non-driver?
This seems at once a dangerous and mickey mouse retrotech way of simplifying your search for rims. Why not just avoid the made-for-Honda style and find ones that fit your car, without resorting to things that turn your stylish ReX into a non-driver?
08-18-02, 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by Paul Fitzwarryne
Why not have it made up in titanium and have both strengtn and lightness?
Why not have it made up in titanium and have both strengtn and lightness?
Anything titanium involved in holding the car up would frighten me greatly. One nick, gouge, or scratch, and the part is scrap metal, and even before that it'd be very "floppy".
08-18-02, 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by Manntis
This seems at once a dangerous and mickey mouse retrotech way of simplifying your search for rims. Why not just avoid the made-for-Honda style and find ones that fit your car, without resorting to things that turn your stylish ReX into a non-driver?
This seems at once a dangerous and mickey mouse retrotech way of simplifying your search for rims. Why not just avoid the made-for-Honda style and find ones that fit your car, without resorting to things that turn your stylish ReX into a non-driver?
08-18-02, 02:36 PM
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It would be easier to just drill and tap the rotors in the front and the axles in the back.
hmm......I think I'll do it to the next set of rotors I buy; except in 4x114.3.
hmm......I think I'll do it to the next set of rotors I buy; except in 4x114.3.
08-18-02, 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by peejay
Titanium, actually, isn't that strong. It's very flexible, and it cracks EXTREMELY easily if there are ANY surface imperfections.
Anything titanium involved in holding the car up would frighten me greatly. One nick, gouge, or scratch, and the part is scrap metal, and even before that it'd be very "floppy".
Titanium, actually, isn't that strong. It's very flexible, and it cracks EXTREMELY easily if there are ANY surface imperfections.
Anything titanium involved in holding the car up would frighten me greatly. One nick, gouge, or scratch, and the part is scrap metal, and even before that it'd be very "floppy".
08-18-02, 03:09 PM
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Its not as bad as magnisium but its similar ... Mag wheels and punctures are not good ... a guy lost his car to a wheel fire in the British Rally Championship last year ... even the fire brigade had a hard time putitng that one out !
08-18-02, 04:11 PM
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That's right up there with building the superstructure of warships out of aluminum and dressing your sailors in flammable sweaters (Falkland Islands naval battles, anyone?)
08-19-02, 08:26 AM
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A lot of heavy earth moving machines now have titanium alloy transmission parts to keep the weight down. I am not sure about the fire problem during milling, the cockpit armour of an A10 is a titanium tub, while many jet engine fans use the same alloy. I know titanium welding is done in an inert gas chamber, but thought tht was to avoid contamination rather than minimize fire risk.
I hope the alleged problems are not too serious. I have a personal interest, after a major accident I was given a few titanium surgical inserts.
I hope the alleged problems are not too serious. I have a personal interest, after a major accident I was given a few titanium surgical inserts.
08-19-02, 10:06 AM
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i think the catching fire part is limited to swarf and due to insufficient/incorrect coolant ... hence why i said it was not quite as bad as magnesium ... it can also happen when machining alluminium !
good point about the falklands Mantis .... BAD design ... just like the US army helicopters (can't remember which ones) that can't fire missiles off one of the side pods as it will suck debris into the engine ... UH OH ! BAD IDEA
or the Merc A class that had suspect high speed handling or the Audi TT that had aerodynamic loads that shifted violently at high speeds ... all poor designs that should have been sorted out before the products were ever made
good point about the falklands Mantis .... BAD design ... just like the US army helicopters (can't remember which ones) that can't fire missiles off one of the side pods as it will suck debris into the engine ... UH OH ! BAD IDEA
or the Merc A class that had suspect high speed handling or the Audi TT that had aerodynamic loads that shifted violently at high speeds ... all poor designs that should have been sorted out before the products were ever made
08-19-02, 10:35 AM
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or the Merc A class that had suspect high speed handling or the Audi TT that had aerodynamic loads that shifted violently at high speeds ... all poor designs that should have been sorted out before the products were ever made
or the Merc A class that had suspect high speed handling or the Audi TT that had aerodynamic loads that shifted violently at high speeds ... all poor designs that should have been sorted out before the products were ever made
The Audi TT was just all wrong... "Gee let's make a short wheelbase, wide track width car, with a bathtub shaped body that generates a ton of rear lift... and while we're at it, let's tune the suspension for oversteer!" No idea what they were thinking!
08-19-02, 12:37 PM
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Yeah, but the Audi TT illustrates the problems in this thread the best - it was all about LOOKS, as are these wheel spacers. Function be damned, doesn't it look cool?
Blah.
I'd rather drive a car as ugly as a box of ******** that corners like it's on rails, accelerates like a rocket, and still has creature comforts like roll up windows and a well laid out cockpit.
Oh wait. My RX-7 does all that and still looks gorgeous!
BTW my Enkei rims are apparently available in both bolt patterns and they dress up the car so nicely I get several compliments/envious looks daily. Forget crummy spacers, guys, just pick your rims for your car.
Blah.
I'd rather drive a car as ugly as a box of ******** that corners like it's on rails, accelerates like a rocket, and still has creature comforts like roll up windows and a well laid out cockpit.
Oh wait. My RX-7 does all that and still looks gorgeous!
BTW my Enkei rims are apparently available in both bolt patterns and they dress up the car so nicely I get several compliments/envious looks daily. Forget crummy spacers, guys, just pick your rims for your car.
08-19-02, 06:15 PM
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Just to clear up the issue on the wheel spacers. I have made a few sets for RACING applications. I would not use the ones pictured to hold paper down on my desk.
The problem with them is not the thickness of the material left by the stud countersink. The problem is they are not "Hub Centric". You will notice your wheel fits a ledge on the stock rotor. To make these spacer/converters you would want to counter bore the backside to fit over the stock rotor. Then you want a snout protruding off the front. What this does is makes all the forces of the wheel load transfer into the stock rotor. Not use the bolts in shear. A bolt is made to hold two parts together in tension not in shear.
-billy
The problem with them is not the thickness of the material left by the stud countersink. The problem is they are not "Hub Centric". You will notice your wheel fits a ledge on the stock rotor. To make these spacer/converters you would want to counter bore the backside to fit over the stock rotor. Then you want a snout protruding off the front. What this does is makes all the forces of the wheel load transfer into the stock rotor. Not use the bolts in shear. A bolt is made to hold two parts together in tension not in shear.
-billy
