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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 02:35 AM
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Weighed my base model '85.

Came to 2,320, 40lbs more than my '95 EX Coupe (heaviest of all the 92-95 Civics) .
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 03:00 AM
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Not bad, my old GSL-SE was 2440 have not scaled my current pig.........
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 03:18 AM
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I really so not want to weigh mine...especially now since there is going to be a huge snail on it.
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 07:37 AM
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No aluminum in these older cars, makes a difference. Its still a very light car for how rigid it is.

Is this a 13b or 12a in your 85 ? GSL-SE ?

With the 13b its power to weight ratio stock is better than the hondas. With the 12a if you swap in a better exhaust with headers and a freer breathing carb setup your beating that honda as well. What your beef ? Its also a hell of lot better looking than that Civic and it handles a lot better.
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by t_g_farrell
No aluminum in these older cars, makes a difference. Its still a very light car for how rigid it is.

Is this a 13b or 12a in your 85 ? GSL-SE ?

With the 13b its power to weight ratio stock is better than the hondas. With the 12a if you swap in a better exhaust with headers and a freer breathing carb setup your beating that honda as well. What your beef ? Its also a hell of lot better looking than that Civic and it handles a lot better.
he says its a base model so its a 12a unless he did a swap.
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by O 16581 72452 5
Came to 2,320, 40lbs more than my '95 EX Coupe (heaviest of all the 92-95 Civics) .
The answer is rear wheel drive.
The driveshaft/propeller shaft and pumpkin weigh a couple hundred combined.
Also, the rear hatch on an RX is quite heavy.

Plus, as t_g_farrell indicated, there is a 10 year gap in manufacturing methods.

Originally Posted by t_g_farrell
No aluminum in these older cars, makes a difference. Its still a very light car for how rigid it is.

Is this a 13b or 12a in your 85 ? GSL-SE ?
There is some aluminium. The rotor housings for instance.

It's not an -SE, he already said base model...
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Max7
Not bad, my old GSL-SE was 2440 have not scaled my current pig.........
Was that dry weight? Sounds a bit light for an -SE?
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 11:58 AM
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Was that dry weight? Sounds a bit light for an -SE?
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by t_g_farrell
No aluminum in these older cars, makes a difference. Its still a very light car for how rigid it is.

Is this a 13b or 12a in your 85 ? GSL-SE ?

With the 13b its power to weight ratio stock is better than the hondas. With the 12a if you swap in a better exhaust with headers and a freer breathing carb setup your beating that honda as well. What your beef ? Its also a hell of lot better looking than that Civic and it handles a lot better.
The chassis of Rx-7's aren't as rigid as you think, when i jack the car up, the doors won't open or close properly. Power to weight is about equal, my EX was 125hp stock, 13bs are 135 (and weighs about 100-200lbs more). I've done modifications that would effect weight on both, i added a turbo set-up, intercooler was about 30-40lbs, turbo and manifold was about the same weight, the Rx-7 just has deleted cats and air pump (maybe 30lbs).

Besides, what's your beef against Hondas? I never said anything bad about Rx-7s, however, you're talking down on Civics.

I hope by "beating that honda" you're not talking about mine specifically, because I/H/E isn't going to be close.

I found it interesting that a '95 fully loaded model was lighter than a stripped '85 model is all.
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 12:46 PM
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Ah... that would do it...
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 01:38 PM
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i open the doors on the 7 and they weigh a ton, on my 1989 323 GTX they are light as hell
GTX (awd turbo 323) weighs 2800.

and it is no suprise the civic weighs less its much newer,

i put a 4 point front strut bar on my 7 and while jacked the doors match perfect, they used to not however.


edit: yea it is RWD too so the rear end and shaft and even the tranny are bigger.

so im sure it is a lighter chassis eh?
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dirty86
i open the doors on the 7 and they weigh a ton, on my 1989 323 GTX they are light as hell
GTX (awd turbo 323) weighs 2800.

and it is no suprise the civic weighs less its much newer,

i put a 4 point front strut bar on my 7 and while jacked the doors match perfect, they used to not however.


edit: yea it is RWD too so the rear end and shaft and even the tranny are bigger.

so im sure it is a lighter chassis eh?
Newer cars normally weigh more due to crash standards.
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by O 16581 72452 5
The chassis of Rx-7's aren't as rigid as you think, when i jack the car up, the doors won't open or close properly.
How many miles are on your 7? This is actually kinda scary because even before I fixed all the underbody rust on my 82 GSL I could open the doors just fine with 1 corner of the car jacked up.

More on topic though, where did you have your civic weighed? Curb weight on a 95 EX is 2443lb. Thats about the same as an 85 RX-7 base is supposed to be.
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 02:52 PM
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Have not weighed mine but the 83 on the door pannel says 1700lbs
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by O 16581 72452 5
Newer cars normally weigh more due to crash standards.
it still is a RWD car with at least 200 more lbs
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dirty86
i open the doors on the 7 and they weigh a ton, on my 1989 323 GTX they are light as hell
GTX (awd turbo 323) weighs 2800.

and it is no suprise the civic weighs less its much newer,

i put a 4 point front strut bar on my 7 and while jacked the doors match perfect, they used to not however.


edit: yea it is RWD too so the rear end and shaft and even the tranny are bigger.

so im sure it is a lighter chassis eh?
I have an 88gtx. Im pretty sure they weight like 2640, not 2800. did you weigh yours?
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http://www.roadraceengineering.com/323BuyersGuide.htm

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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dirty86
i open the doors on the 7 and they weigh a ton, on my 1989 323 GTX they are light as hell
GTX (awd turbo 323) weighs 2800.

and it is no suprise the civic weighs less its much newer,

i put a 4 point front strut bar on my 7 and while jacked the doors match perfect, they used to not however.


edit: yea it is RWD too so the rear end and shaft and even the tranny are bigger.

so im sure it is a lighter chassis eh?

Yeah your right about the weight of the doors on the Rx7 I took some doors off a Parts car the other day and they at least have to be 60 lbs or more I will weigh them when I get a chance. I never thought they weighed that much.
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 04:17 PM
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somebody should look into making some fibreglass door skins, could shave some serious weight off there.
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 04:30 PM
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the hood on my sa is pretty heavy

btw, sa's were the lightest of the first gens, right?
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 04:43 PM
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Wieght reduction is for SERIOUS RACERS WHO KNOW HOW TO DO IT RIGHT no NORMAL driver will notice a difference, not only that, but these cars were almost 50/50 weight distribution from the factory, WHY GO F THAT UP? Seriously when a race team takes weight off a car they usually balast the weight elsewhere.. Did you even the weight ratio back out? Everyone starts yanking pumps/pullies, storage bins ect making the car look unfinished and they end up with arguably worse handling. THere is a WRONG way to modify your car, yanking everything out without proper knowlage is one of those wrong ways to do it.
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotortuner
I have an 88gtx. Im pretty sure they weight like 2640, not 2800. did you weigh yours?
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http://www.roadraceengineering.com/323BuyersGuide.htm

CJG

mines got a cage and heavy rally suspension , big skid plate and under body protection



i havent weighd my stock one....
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Old Oct 14, 2005 | 05:45 PM
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How many miles are on your 7? This is actually kinda scary because even before I fixed all the underbody rust on my 82 GSL I could open the doors just fine with 1 corner of the car jacked up.

More on topic though, where did you have your civic weighed? Curb weight on a 95 EX is 2443lb. Thats about the same as an 85 RX-7 base is supposed to be.
Same place i weighed the Rx-7, it's an industrial scale, i think it's for weighing cargo going onto semis.
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Old Oct 15, 2005 | 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by dirty86
mines got a cage and heavy rally suspension , big skid plate and under body protection



i havent weighd my stock one....
You got me curious, so after i posted, i went out and weighed mine. 2480. Actually it keptflicking between 2480 and 2500, so its probably right about 2490. Its over 100 lbs less than i though it would weigh. mines got a reich ecu, CS 2.5 DP into a 3" with no mufflers or cats, JDM intake mani, etc. fun little cars. i want to do a microtech and bigger turbo on it eventually, whats yours got?

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Old Oct 15, 2005 | 01:28 AM
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83 gsl 2250lbs w/ the turbo setup , my 84 gs was 2030 with alot of weight reduction
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Old Oct 15, 2005 | 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RRTEC
Wieght reduction is for SERIOUS RACERS WHO KNOW HOW TO DO IT RIGHT no NORMAL driver will notice a difference, not only that, but these cars were almost 50/50 weight distribution from the factory, WHY GO F THAT UP? Seriously when a race team takes weight off a car they usually balast the weight elsewhere.. Did you even the weight ratio back out? Everyone starts yanking pumps/pullies, storage bins ect making the car look unfinished and they end up with arguably worse handling. THere is a WRONG way to modify your car, yanking everything out without proper knowlage is one of those wrong ways to do it.
Whoa there buddy. You should research a little before you talk. From my readings, the FB DOES NOT have perfect 50/50 weight distribution. The FC is very close, but the FB is a little nose heavy. Also, you can save quite a bit of weight from taking out other parts besides the interior. I've found that interior parts are generally quite light. The storage bins themselves weigh almost nothing compared to even the spare tire. Spare tire weighs about 25 lb, jack weighs 10 lb and spare tire well weighs in at 15 lb. Theres a 50lb weight saving just from removing all the spare tire parts, including replacing the spare tire well with a flat sheet of metal. Also, there is TONS (not litterally) of weight to be taken off the front end. If you wanna use hood pins, you can cut out the inner bracing on the hood (not sure on weight yet), the A/C parts equate to about 35 lb, various other non essentials like the air pump and associated hardware is probably another 25 lb. You can remove the pan under the rad for a few lbs too.

My point is, the car was not originally 50/50 weight distribution. Taking weight off the front end is most likely going to help in all aspects, and if you can take enough off the front (100 lbs), you can also remove about half that in the rear to even out the weight distribution a little more.

As for my car, even with the weight redux I'm doing, I still expect the car to weigh in at 2400 lbs. The metal I used to fix the rust holes was not light metal and I probably gained 50lbs from it.

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