JoshuaSchubert

when I remove the gas hoze that puts gas into the carburator and try and turn the enine over, no gas comes out. If I pump the gas pedal the gas will pour out then but that is the only way I can get gas to come out. Does this mean I need a new fuel pump? accelerator pump? carb rebuild?

Thanks in advanced


Josh

wzr27

you need to explain your self better. if you are talking about the fuel hose that attaches to the carb then you need a fuel pump. when you step on the gas pedal you should see a stream of fuel coming out of the jets above the rings in the venturies.

JoshuaSchubert

I pulled off the black hose the is hoocked onto the side of the carburator, and extends into the firewall I beleive. I placed the end of the hose into a measureing cup and tried to turn the car over. Nothing would come outa the hose until I pretty much floored it and then a little gas gushed out...

JoshuaSchubert

Please Help?

alien_rx7

Not sure what fuel line you're pulling to check but pumping the gas should not affect the fuel supply hose to the carb. If you have the correct line in a glass jar or other approved container with the key on you will have a rush of gas if nothing is wrong or blocked up back at the fuel pump and tank. Otherwise, you will have no gas, or very little, if it is blocked, a bad pump, or a year that doesn't turn the fuel pump on until the key is in the start position.

Here is a picture of the fuel lines leading into the carb. The one with the metal cylinder in it is the return line. Which hose are you pulling to check for fuel? What year do you have? Some years didn't start the fuel pump until the car was actually trying to start.

jorx81@aol.com

iTrader: (6)

don't forget to tell hime fuel dosen't pump with key in ON position unless the car is running, you have to have the key turned to the start position to pump fuel.

early models may be an exception. can't remember.

JoshuaSchubert

I pulled the one on the right hand side(in your picture alien) and when I turned the key to on. i.e. the engine was turning over no gas would come out into my measureing cup... The only way I could get gas to come outa the tube was to pump the accelerator petal up and down real hard. then a small amount gushed out. I have a 1985 GS. Thx alot so far guys ^_^ I hope to have my rx7 running tomarrow if I can get an idea to run with =)

Thx again, Josh

Nut Job

Hmmm.....thats really wierd because the accelerator pedal is in no way connected to the pump or tank or filter or anything besides the carb........like alien said.....you either have a bad pump or pluged line somewhere....mabye the filter. Does the pump make a humming sound when u turn the car over? That might be a good place to start if it does then either the voltage is not high enough at the pump, the pump is broken, or u have a plugged line. Just a little input from someone with not too much experience

Steve Shulz

If the line is plugged the pump will only run for so long (overheat shutoff safety feature). Youve deffinately got an issue. Check for clogged lines, filter, the easy stuff before the pump. Turn the key and go listen at the back right of the car for the pump, you should be able to hear it. Remove the left line at the carb and see if you can blow in it (fuel return line) then start methodically searching. Good luck. Keep us updated.

alien_rx7

Yup, should be the 1984 and 1985 models that had this. My '82 and '83 both turned the fuel pump on as soon as I turn the key forward.

If you have an extra battery, try hooking it up directly to the fuel pump to see if it starts the pump pumping. The connector for the fuel pump is directly beneath the storage bin behind the driver's seat.

Junia

Guys, if he's getting a little bit of fuel could it just be that the fuel filter is clogged up? I'd check that first. I mean, you could just take the line off of the filter and have some one try and crank the motor to see if any fuel comes out of the line that way. You would know right away if the pump was bad or not that way.

Anthony Keppler

I live in San Diego. Where can I get inexpensive Mazda auto parts?

Rotofire

your local automotive store ( I have auto zone and o'reily's)

JoshuaSchubert

I just replaced the fuel filter a week or 2 ago so that isnt the problem... a friend of mine that works at autozone has a friend with like 5 rx7s in his back yard so he is going to pull off a pump from one of his part cars and sell it to me for 20 bucks today. so hopefully this will fix the problem. Thx so much for the help so far! Im hopeing Iam close to fixing the problem. The other day when I lifeted my car i.e. the factory jack, kinda scray to get under with only that, I noticed that the undercarriage that was protecting the fuel pump was quite loose so Iam guessing this mite be a problem too. *shrugs* Iam off to try and remove the pump itself I'll update soon.

jorx81@aol.com

iTrader: (6)

good call, you can also take out your storage bin on drivers side disconnect the pump then run some cheap little wires from your battery and test pump that way.

JoshuaSchubert

Alright just got done doin what Steve suggested, I took off the fuel return lign and blew air into it, via my mouth, and it would not go. so I dug deeper and removed the silver cylinder about 6 incheches from the carb along the fuel return lign and this appears to be where the clog is. Iam postin pictures.

JoshuaSchubert

This is the return fuel line and the 1 way check valve, the valve seems to be clogged up a little bit but air will still flow through it under high pressure( i.e. me blowing realy hard into it )

JoshuaSchubert

after I removed the 1 way fuel valve in the return line, and blew through the remainder of the hose it had no clogs and I could tell that it was bubbleing air all the way through the hose and into the fuel tank.

alien_rx7

Not sure if that would be a problem or not but easy enough to change, just grab one off one of those parts cars when you get the fuel pump. Mine seemed like it was kind of hard to get it open just blowing into it but everything works fine. Oh, and make sure that the arrow is pointing in the right direction when you install it. I believe it must point towards the tank, away from the carb.

JoshuaSchubert

Update - I removed the fuel pump, a friend brough over a 3.5 ton jack and we threw my rx7 up on some rims, and took it into the autozone which is in the ajoining parking lot to my house ;-) They tested the pump for me and said it was working fine. So my next step was to see if the pump was getting power from the wires it was hooked to. There was no amp/ohm/power what ever it is. Anyone got any advice on where exactly the wires go to? another lil bit of a question, the pump has a psi rating of 2.5-4.0 psi on it and it was made in mexico, it was jimmy rigged into the wire system too. lots of black electrical tape. anyone know if this pump is acualy suitable for use in my 1.1 liter carburated 1985 mazda rx7 gs? any help would be great

Thanks alot, Josh

alien_rx7

Did you have the key in the "ON" position when measuring voltage at the wires? Have your friend try and start the engine also while you measure voltage at the wires. You should have at minimum a steady 12V there.

If you don't already have one, by a Haynes manual for the 7. I don't have mine hand right now but as long as you have at least 3.8psi on a stock nikki and the correct flowrate you should be set. I don't recall the flowrate off hand and that is the most important number for the gas supply. You could have the correct pressure and not flow enough gas to the carb which you've already proven you're not getting any up there any way. Like a couple of us have suggested, run some wires from the battery to the pump and see if that will pump some gas up to the carb. If so, then it is in the wiring somewhere. The hookup for the pump is beneath the driver's side storage bin.

alien_rx7

Oh, and check your fuses too!

Junia

quick question, where's the fuse for the fuel pump.

Junia

quick question, where's the fuse for the fuel pump.

mar3

iTrader: (8)

He's got the '85 GS, so he will def have the fuel kill relay...PM V8kilr for the bypass trick on that one...the other fuse, besides the fusibles, to consider is the one in the inside fuse box marked engine. Replace it even if it looks good. Of course, this only applies if you've lost all spark and fuel up front....just some more info for you to digest...