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11-07-05, 07:22 PM
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anybody seen this before? (friend sent this to me)
http://www.hypebeast.com/archives/aka_berlin_95_1.jpg
what do you think about this?
http://www.hypebeast.com/archives/aka_berlin_95_1.jpg
what do you think about this?
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11-07-05, 07:53 PM
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my bad for the multiple posts.. but since my friend gave me the link i didnt think much to check it out more at their official website but now that i have i found more pics and it did turn out it was not a 1G RX-7.. phew! nice tagging skills though i think..
11-07-05, 08:36 PM
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The front of the cars are almost identical. Hmmm..... I wonder which car is copied off the other?
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11-07-05, 09:45 PM
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yea the front ends do look very similar.. i was fooled too until i saw the rear pillars and was like this cant be and when i found more pics it was definately not a 1G. also i was fooled that a ford probe looked like an mr2 turbo with the fog lights..
hah and they only way to find out who designed it first will have to be the production years? or it couldve been coincidence that they both look similar.. or that whoever had produced the car with later years had thought of the similar design before the manufacturer who had produced it first but it just so happens that the manufacturer who thought of the similar design later had produced it first... too lazy to check the years of the porche 924 and compare it.. but this was an interesting discovery
hah and they only way to find out who designed it first will have to be the production years? or it couldve been coincidence that they both look similar.. or that whoever had produced the car with later years had thought of the similar design before the manufacturer who had produced it first but it just so happens that the manufacturer who thought of the similar design later had produced it first... too lazy to check the years of the porche 924 and compare it.. but this was an interesting discovery
11-07-05, 10:17 PM
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The car is a Porsce 924 they began production in 1975 as Porsche's First front engine RWD, It utilized a rear transaxle design that allowed IRS. This was the first car to use a rear transaxle. It initially used a 2.0L I-4 and graduated into a detuned 944 engine of 2.5L, the 944 came much later, and the 928 had several varying displacment V-8 engines. These were all front engine RWD cars, later the 968 joined this line up replacing the 944. But the 924 was first and pioneered its niche in the Auto Industry.
When mazda began project X602 They wanted a product a cut above the Rx-2's and soforth. Mazda aimed its sights at Porsche They wanted a car that was faster lighter cheaper and more aerodynamic than a porsche. In essence they wanted to say
"Look This is marginally better in every way than a porsche, and guess what its about $5K less!" If you watch Top Gear they compared the two and basically said the same thing. But most people paid the extra cash for better economy and the stuttgart emblem. Many think Mazda copied Porsches design, but Mazda didnt want to copy they wanted to improve what was already there. In essence all of our cars are ripoffs of Porsche............. But I dont like thinking that either
So If you see a 924, which is different than a 944 only by the fact 924's had a urauthane ducktail and 944's had a urauthane whale tail, but anyway should you see one remember, You're driving a Porsche Killer!
When mazda began project X602 They wanted a product a cut above the Rx-2's and soforth. Mazda aimed its sights at Porsche They wanted a car that was faster lighter cheaper and more aerodynamic than a porsche. In essence they wanted to say
"Look This is marginally better in every way than a porsche, and guess what its about $5K less!" If you watch Top Gear they compared the two and basically said the same thing. But most people paid the extra cash for better economy and the stuttgart emblem. Many think Mazda copied Porsches design, but Mazda didnt want to copy they wanted to improve what was already there. In essence all of our cars are ripoffs of Porsche............. But I dont like thinking that either
So If you see a 924, which is different than a 944 only by the fact 924's had a urauthane ducktail and 944's had a urauthane whale tail, but anyway should you see one remember, You're driving a Porsche Killer!
11-08-05, 03:17 AM
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LokiRx-7 wrote , "But most people paid the extra cash for better economy and the stuttgart emblem. Many think Mazda copied Porsches design, but Mazda didnt want to copy they wanted to improve what was already there. In essence all of our cars are ripoffs of Porsche...."
If most people paid extra for porshe, why do I notice more RX-7's on the road? I had a 914. The dealer service was what the >>>rip off<<< . You'd think a company would take some pride in their fricken cars. "porsche, don't come to close" As in someone infected with avian flu!!
That Stuttgart emblem means more dollars than common sense.
If most people paid extra for porshe, why do I notice more RX-7's on the road? I had a 914. The dealer service was what the >>>rip off<<< . You'd think a company would take some pride in their fricken cars. "porsche, don't come to close" As in someone infected with avian flu!!
That Stuttgart emblem means more dollars than common sense.
11-08-05, 07:28 AM
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More Porsche's are garage queens, Rx-7's were down and dirty Japanese muscle there cheaper so poeple arent afraid to take them out in the rain or in the winter. The 914 was a joint venture between Porsche an VW, they had a seperate coachbuilder create the body, so parts suppliers were all over the place. All good cars, but when I said more people paid for the emblem I'm talking in world sales also. Here in america cheaper is better, and at the time people were obviously concerned with fuel. So the Rx-7 met varying success around the world, Porsche on the other hand already had a cult following that would only buy porsche, mazda did not. but the Rx-7 was an attempt at an icon sports car that they would be known for. Unfortunately although alot of people have heard of rx-7's they dont know anything about them. there are alot of people driving them that still dont know its a rotary engine. and those that do know what a rotary is have been told that rotaries are trash and prone to trouble. So Mazda withdrew the Rx-7 from america, I still dont know why they offered a twin turbo to the soccer moms that spread rumors about how trashy they are. Many people cant take care of a N/A piston engine much less a TT rotary. So Porsche and there slightly more expensive auto won out in the end although they withdrew the 92 and 96 series Porsches to replace them with the Boxster. A sad end to a remeakable car, but in the end we are left with our own little niche of affordable sportscars. I know it sucks but we own one of the most amazing cars in history. The first generation of the new wave of rotary sports car. Our cars are almost what? 30 years old, and they can still smoke alot of new cars! And yes the 924 has almost identical performance and mileage but the stock rx-7 got 20-25MPG and the 924 had 28-30MPG, oh and did I mention the Rx-7 was around $10-$15K The Porsche was $20-$25K. Wow if they perform the same and the milage is so close what am I going to buy?
11-08-05, 10:19 AM
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ya, that 914 was a VW, except when it came to parts and service. Stupid me, I lusted after that car all through college.
I cannot believe the 924 production numbers surpassed that of a rx-7 fb and fc.
The 924 was designed as an Audi, but was so expensive that it had to be marketted as a porsche. The 914 was designed as a VW but was..........
If mazda copied the 924, it would have had to design, develop, and produce a new car model a relatively short time to design, develop, and produce a new model.
Last comment on the 914 ( I promise ), it handled way better than the rx-7. And that was its only advantage.
I cannot believe the 924 production numbers surpassed that of a rx-7 fb and fc.
The 924 was designed as an Audi, but was so expensive that it had to be marketted as a porsche. The 914 was designed as a VW but was..........
If mazda copied the 924, it would have had to design, develop, and produce a new car model a relatively short time to design, develop, and produce a new model.
Last comment on the 914 ( I promise ), it handled way better than the rx-7. And that was its only advantage.
11-08-05, 02:31 PM
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Well of course it did it was mid engine!! lol! Mazda didnt 'copy' in the sense you may be thinking more like they took the lines of the car as their starting point just the basic shape and then took it to a wind tunnel, something uncommon in those days. They refined the design and used it as their template. Project X602 was began in the early '70s but that was mainly trying to find a way for the rotary to pass emissions. They chose the 12A instead of the 13B, which was used on earlier chassis, and they found the 12A's exhaust characteristics could better take advantage of mazda's thermal reactor, or the stock exhaust manifold. By the time Mazda was done R&Ding the engine and body, they felt the 7 should go into production asap. so they threw a cheap recirculating ball steering linkage under it and instead of the proposed IRS they used a solid axle, as it was cheaper and stronger at the time. They also overlooked brakes, but nevertheless the car entered production in 1978.
If you notice all the said features are ones we all have to grapplle with, I mean honestly doesnt it make sense? If mazda had put the same amount of time on steering and brakes dont you think they would be on par with the quality of the rest of the car? just a thought...
If you notice all the said features are ones we all have to grapplle with, I mean honestly doesnt it make sense? If mazda had put the same amount of time on steering and brakes dont you think they would be on par with the quality of the rest of the car? just a thought...
11-08-05, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by LokiRx7.1
Here U all Go Enjoy...........
And about Gen 1s,
I thought 12A was used because it was more fuel efficient, since the oil crisis was still on people's minds, and the brakes, recirculating ball steering, axle, etc. were all because Mazda was on a real tight budget. Weren't they on the brink at the time?
I'll just shell out $50 for that RX-7 history book.
