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Old May 9, 2004 | 01:55 PM
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XR4Ti's never came intercooled in America... in Europe they were called RS500 or a Cosworth and yes they came intercooled, used a Turbo DOHC 2.0 Ford Cosworth Engine unlike the XR4Ti's over in America. They also had other slight differences.

Also a Stock Manual XR4ti came WITH 175hp.... if you got the automatic it only came with 145hp (it ran on lower boost than the Maunal tranny XR4ti's for safety reasons.)

If you ever see a intercooler on a XR4Ti its because someone added it. If it has a small front mount under the radiator it was from a RS500 that someone put on. If it is a top mount intercooler it came from a T-bird Thundercoupe or a Mustang SVO.

I know what I'm talking about when it comes to the Ford 2.3T engine cars.

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Old May 10, 2004 | 07:03 AM
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From: Trying to convince some clown not to put a Holley 600 on his 12a.
Originally posted by nopistons94
so im lost, after looking through all this ****, is there a freakin setup for my 12a with this supercharger ??
I first proposed this idea over a year ago on this board, and the core members all pitched in to help me figure out the math for the proper configuration. But there did not seem to be enough interest at the time to actively persue doing the Eaton project for kit production like I wanted to.
I still intention to produce a kit in the future that will allow you to mount an Eaton M-90 to your 12A or 13B, along with an intercooler from either a Starion, Volvo, or some other suitable OEM IC. It's one of those "faith investments", where even though I want to do it for my own fun, I want to design the project parts so they are easily reproduceable for kit form (which is extra work) all with the idea that once I get mine done and dynoed, it'll draw interest mof prospective customers.

I plan tol furnish the brackets, the pulley system, the valving, the plenum, the plumbing, and the carburetor if it ends up being financially feasible. You as the purchaser would be responsible for obtaining the Eaton M-90 and the intercooler.
I also want to make an optional remote cable control sytem that can be installed in the console, and a water injection system that will allow the stock 12a to see 13-15 psi.

I have yet to do my own car, let alone design brackets that are easily replicated for a kit. I'm getting overwhelmed with carburetor orders and work for my "day job". I do hope to get started soon. I purchased a milling machine nearly two years ago just for this purpose!
-Sadly, it just sits there in the shop.
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Old May 10, 2004 | 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by Tsi_Xtreme
everyone will always have a their own choice when it comes to turbos vs superchargers, however to anyone trying to decide on which just remember to decide on what you want to acomplish out of your car.

I will going with a supercharger setup for autocrossing because of no turbo lag. True a turbo setup more than likely would produce more house power for the same amount of money but for what I'm using my car for it a turbo wouldn't cut it. I need to be able to get power quickly. By the time I would get to a turn and need to slow down, a turbo would just begin spooling.
I like superchargers better, I just love the whine.

For example would you rather have a blown 383 stroker in a 69 camaro or a turbocharged stroker in a 69 camaro ?

hmmm............


I think if you choose turbo I would be getting alot more attention with the blown stroker.


btw I used 69 camaro cause my freind has one, blown 383, silly car. Cant really drive it on the street, 100% impractical.
Almost dies every second or so cause of the lumpy cam and the stresss the super puts on the motor.
But instead of stalling it just sounds likes its going to then flies back up to 600 rpm with a loud whine, over and over.

Sure he could jack up the idle but he would only be robbing himself of some coolness factor.

Although some dumb asses are like "get a tune up" most people "old schoolers" simply nod their head with a smile.

Trust me when I say it gets plenty of attention.
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Old May 11, 2004 | 08:29 PM
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Ok, here is a Brand New M-90 for $580, who is up to bat now?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...sPageName=WD1V

(its not mine, I was just looking for one).
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Old May 11, 2004 | 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by Tsi_Xtreme
XR4Ti's never came intercooled in America... in Europe they were called RS500 or a Cosworth and yes they came intercooled, used a Turbo DOHC 2.0 Ford Cosworth Engine unlike the XR4Ti's over in America. They also had other slight differences.

Also a Stock Manual XR4ti came WITH 175hp.... if you got the automatic it only came with 145hp (it ran on lower boost than the Maunal tranny XR4ti's for safety reasons.)

If you ever see a intercooler on a XR4Ti its because someone added it. If it has a small front mount under the radiator it was from a RS500 that someone put on. If it is a top mount intercooler it came from a T-bird Thundercoupe or a Mustang SVO.

I know what I'm talking about when it comes to the Ford 2.3T engine cars.
cool to see another turboford guy here




//highjack

so if theres blowers going for ~$580, how much will the kit actually cost (roughly). i like the idea of the supercharger, but how much cheaper will it actually be over a turbo?

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Old May 20, 2004 | 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by onepointone
cool to see another turboford guy here
Holy **** haha is that your 2.3t in that rx7? One swap I never thought about. I was debating forever weither or not to put one in a pinto for drag racing, but i decided to get into autocrossing instead and went with the rx7. Need just a little more power so next year i'll be trying my hand at a supercharger add on.
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Old May 20, 2004 | 10:27 AM
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Im sure most people want to see a kit, but me personally, I just want to know what I have to do with tuning and fuel. I can fab up a bracket and get pullies no problem, thats the easy part, and running intercooler piping, etc etc.. that isnt my concern whatsoever. I, like you said sterling, want to know the math involved, so I know what kind of mods I need to do, such as upgraded fuelpump, etc etc, or S-AFC as someone has mentioned, and where I can buy one that piggybacks into the ECU in my SE. Its the fear of running lean and throwing an apex seal that is stopping me from already having an m90 sittin beside my keg PLz drop a lil know how for me, thanks
Daryl
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Old May 20, 2004 | 10:32 AM
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Sterling.

Please keep us posted on the supercharger kit. Would much rather have a supercharger than a turbo. Hopefully, we can accomplish the job cheaper than Atkins setup and any turbo setup by using used M-90s and ICs... I think alot of folks would go for this.

Hey, since I am a draftsman for my "day job". I would be glad to draw up some brackets, etc. and even get them fab'd. Just need guidance on what exactly will be needed of course...
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Old May 20, 2004 | 12:41 PM
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From: Trying to convince some clown not to put a Holley 600 on his 12a.
Originally posted by 1stgen_tn
Sterling.

Please keep us posted on the supercharger kit. Would much rather have a supercharger than a turbo. Hopefully, we can accomplish the job cheaper than Atkins setup and any turbo setup by using used M-90s and ICs... I think alot of folks would go for this.

Hey, since I am a draftsman for my "day job". I would be glad to draw up some brackets, etc. and even get them fab'd. Just need guidance on what exactly will be needed of course...
Thanks for the offer.
I'll get started as soon as I can. I just have alot lined up right now.
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