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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 08:35 PM
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We are able to use the current hub design with a few slight changes for the 84-85 spindles.
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 10:34 PM
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This is great stuff! Unfortunately, I must wait also.......
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bwaits
I did some work today and have finalized the kit.

We are able to use the current hub design with a few slight changes for the 84-85 spindles. However the GSL-SE requirement can not be met with this hub. Due to the fact that the wheel surface change of 15MM and the larger outer bearing, it has not worked out. I will continue to think about a GSL-SE solution.

The group buy has been setup -> https://www.rx7club.com/group-buy-center-69/1979-1985-12a-rx7-markii-big-brake-kit-677216/


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It's too bad you couldn't get it to work for the gsl-se. Good to hear you will continue to think about the solution. Hopefully you get it all worked out. Maybe you might need to make a new hub? IF so, maybe you can design it to take the stock wheel bearings. Anyways, I will be patiently waiting on the sidelines Thanks for all the work you do for us first gen guys!
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 12:00 AM
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So Billy...
these will fit Rx2's, without changing the pattern, only if I want it to be a 4x114.3 pattern, correct?

These look fully sick man, you are doing fantastic work...keep it up....just make those 1st gen. lowering kits for da front...::
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 04:02 AM
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So this kit isn't going to be offered with a slotted rotor? Also, I have one of the old rotary enginering cars. She started off as a 79, but I am not sure that it hasn't been changed to the newer style. I think it also has the strut towers raised. Is there anyway to check to know which I have? I am including a pic of the motor just incase anyone can help out. How do I order the optional calipers with it? And how can I convert to get the stainless steel lines on my 79?
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by FBDrifter
so in order to use the 4.5 pattern on my 84 SE with 4 piston T2 calipers i'd have to change my front spindles out for non-SE '83 ones?
No, the kit fits your 84-85 spindles. The kit is made for the 12A offset not the GSL-SE offset. it is 15MM shallower. You would need spacers or different wheels.


Originally Posted by RotaryRevn
It's too bad you couldn't get it to work for the gsl-se. Maybe you might need to make a new hub?
Yes completely different hub than the current design.


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So Billy...
these will fit Rx2's, without changing the pattern, only if I want it to be a 4x114.3 pattern, correct?

These look fully sick man, you are doing fantastic work...keep it up....just make those 1st gen. lowering kits for da front...::
These would only work if you are using rx7 struts. They have both patterns in them, 4x110mm and 4 114.3mm. I am almost doe with the rx2/rx3 kits. I need a rx3 spindle/rotor and a rx2 rotor. Interested in letting us borough a rx2 front rotor?

What the lowering kit for the front you asked about?


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So this kit isn't going to be offered with a slotted rotor? How do I order the optional calipers with it? And how can I convert to get the stainless steel lines on my 79?
No slotted rotor available. Calipers price is yet to be firmed up. Our line kit is for the fine thread mazda used. I will look into stocking the course to fine adapter. Get in on the GB and by the time we are ready to go, i will have the rest figured out.

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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 08:23 AM
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Billy,
I found my other set of RX-3 front strut assembly. I will lend it to you. I know you dont want the insert and caliper but not sure about the rotors. LMK.

thanks
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 09:11 AM
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Rock On Wacky! Just need one strut tube and one brake rotor with bearings. No caliper, backing plate or insert needed.

I have sent you a PM about the shipping.

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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bwaits
No, the kit fits your 84-85 spindles. The kit is made for the 12A offset not the GSL-SE offset. it is 15MM shallower. You would need spacers or different wheels.




Yes completely different hub than the current design.




These would only work if you are using rx7 struts. They have both patterns in them, 4x110mm and 4 114.3mm. I am almost doe with the rx2/rx3 kits. I need a rx3 spindle/rotor and a rx2 rotor. Interested in letting us borough a rx2 front rotor?

What the lowering kit for the front you asked about?




No slotted rotor available. Calipers price is yet to be firmed up. Our line kit is for the fine thread mazda used. I will look into stocking the course to fine adapter. Get in on the GB and by the time we are ready to go, i will have the rest figured out.

-billy

Will you be offering the 15mm wheel spacers to use SE wheels? Would the studs need to be longer if using the spacer?
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RotaryRevn
Will you be offering the 15mm wheel spacers to use SE wheels? Would the studs need to be longer if using the spacer?
No. I spent a few hours trying to design a hub centric 15mm spacer that fit the current hub. Could not be done safely. Simply did not have enough meat while fitting on my current hub. I do not like non-hub centric spacers above 1/8" or maybe 1/4". Certainly not over 1/2".

I could could do it if the wheel bore was larger. Since most would be using there current wheels, the bore would be stock.

So long story short........If your wheels happen to have a larger than stock center bore (Sometimes after market wheels are made large and a plastic spacer is used to bring the diameter down) you can find someone who makes 1/2" hub centric spacers that match your wheel and out hub. this would be close to the 15mm offset difference.

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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bwaits
No. I spent a few hours trying to design a hub centric 15mm spacer that fit the current hub. Could not be done safely. Simply did not have enough meat while fitting on my current hub. I do not like non-hub centric spacers above 1/8" or maybe 1/4". Certainly not over 1/2".

I could could do it if the wheel bore was larger. Since most would be using there current wheels, the bore would be stock.

So long story short........If your wheels happen to have a larger than stock center bore (Sometimes after market wheels are made large and a plastic spacer is used to bring the diameter down) you can find someone who makes 1/2" hub centric spacers that match your wheel and out hub. this would be close to the 15mm offset difference.

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Thanks for the clarification on that. I know that your just barely putting this GB all together but is there still a chance of a kit that is GSLSE specific coming out within the next year or so?
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 09:55 PM
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Lowering kit was the one racing beat used to make for the 1st gens....raises the strut towers up 1.25 inches, lowering the same amount without the loss in travel.

Rx2 rotor, as in brake rotor? I've got one you can have...
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bwaits
No, the kit fits your 84-85 spindles. The kit is made for the 12A offset not the GSL-SE offset. it is 15MM shallower. You would need spacers or different wheels.
no way im getting rid of my kei office wheels!

are the studs long enough to be able to use a spacer?ill put myself in danger as long as theres room to bolt it up with a 15mm spacer
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 10:43 PM
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looks like im gonna be buying some big brakes for my 82
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by FBDrifter
no way im getting rid of my kei office wheels!

are the studs long enough to be able to use a spacer?ill put myself in danger as long as theres room to bolt it up with a 15mm spacer
So we have at least two gslse owners ready to buy if you make the se kit
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 11:32 PM
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So we have at least two gslse owners ready to buy if you make the se kit
I have a spare FB if you wanna trade full suspension to 4x110. Just buy the heines and I will swap it for you.
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 02:06 AM
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I have a spare FB if you wanna trade full suspension to 4x110. Just buy the heines and I will swap it for you.

No thanks man, I'll wait it out....lol
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by RotaryRevn
Thanks for the clarification on that. I know that your just barely putting this GB all together but is there still a chance of a kit that is GSLSE specific coming out within the next year or so?
5 guys and we can do it.


Originally Posted by Jaime Enriquez
Lowering kit was the one racing beat used to make for the 1st gens....raises the strut towers up 1.25 inches, lowering the same amount without the loss in travel.

Rx2 rotor, as in brake rotor? I've got one you can have...
Oh yea I remember........Shoot me a package size and weight for the rotor if you are serious. I will send you a pre-paid label.


Originally Posted by FBDrifter
no way im getting rid of my kei office wheels!

are the studs long enough to be able to use a spacer?ill put myself in danger as long as theres room to bolt it up with a 15mm spacer
Yes we can do long studs. Just put it in the notes when you order.


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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by bwaits
5 guys and we can do it.




Oh yea I remember........Shoot me a package size and weight for the rotor if you are serious. I will send you a pre-paid label.




Yes we can do long studs. Just put it in the notes when you order.


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Thanks Billy, I'll ask around and try and round up a few more guys for the gslse kit.
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 01:51 PM
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Guess I'm the first to hop on the band wagon. Just purchased my set.
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 11:25 PM
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I'm interested in a RX-2 kit as well. I've got a few spare rotors if you still need one, let me know.

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Old Aug 9, 2007 | 12:25 AM
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Bump to try and get a few more GSLSE guys interested
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Old Aug 9, 2007 | 07:59 AM
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So many options!

Alright... So since my head is still spinning with everything going on, here's my question:

I've got a 12a '84 GS. I want to put these stock 2nd Gen rims on it:
https://www.rx7club.com/canadian-forum-42/over-6-months-making-663978/
(aparently stock vert rims)

What kit, spacers, wizardry, etc... would I need to take those rims and a big brake kit and toss it together on my '84? From what I understand the original kit gives '84s big brakes, but the offset doesn't allow for the use of 2nd Gen rims. Now there's this new kit which keeps the stock 12a S3 offset, but that still doesn't tell me if the rims will fit without spacers because they aren't stock 12a S3 rims, they're 2nd Gen vert rims...

Gah... why couldn't they just make an easier set of wheel offset and spacing standards?

While I really don't want to add more confusion, part of me thinks that it would be better if all big brake kits for the FBs were made specifically to match the 2nd Gen offset, because it's much easier to get their rims, and the aftermarket rims they use, than to try and match brake kits to the smorgasboard of rims we FB owners have been forced into using on our stock cars. If there were two kits (one pre-84 one 84-85) that simply said "bolt on, get 2nd Gen wheels, go" it might eliminate some confusion, though it would probably annoy the hell out of anyone who currently has 15" or larger rims on their FB.. and I can see that's not what you want to do!

Jon
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Old Aug 9, 2007 | 08:14 AM
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Doesn't Billy already sell a kit to turn your lugs into the turbo 2 style? I believe that's his mark 1 kit. Check out his page.
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Old Aug 9, 2007 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Morey987
Doesn't Billy already sell a kit to turn your lugs into the turbo 2 style? I believe that's his mark 1 kit. Check out his page.
He does but I don't want to change my lugs to the t2 style. I already have my wheels.
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