Ok my cousin got stupid and traded his 300z and wrecked civic for a 2001 v6 prelude. which one in straight and in corners? 2001 v6 prelude vs 1984 rx-7 gsl-se? besides 17 years difference.
thanx, sweetege

 

V-6? it has a 2.2 four in it. The prelude would take the -SE any day, stock for stock.

 

I thought GSL-SEs were only in '85.

My girlfriend has a automatic (with tiptronic) 2000 Prelude, The vtec makes for strange acceleration. Whoever I race keeps up until the vtec kicks in...then I get ahead a couple of feet. Then we're accelerating at the same pace again until vtec kicks in again. It's pretty weird.

 

vtec allows for better low-mid acceleration

 

If it helps out any my friends 97 prelude with a intake runs a 15.6 in the 1/4mile.

 

ok how about a completly stripped 81 12a streetported
thanx, sweetege

 

I think I'll figure that out...but i dont think im going streetported.

I had a issue of Motor Trend (online) with an 84 gsl-se in it.

 

I think GSL-SEs were model year 1985, which means they were on the market in the fall of '84... hence being tested in a 1984 magazine.

 

Possibly, but mines an 84 and the 84 Gsl-se had the exact same exhaust tips as mine.

 

the Prelude is a pretty dangerous car! they might not look like much, but trust me ... they'll spank you.

a stock SE will lose ...
a streetport 12A can beat it, but it will depend on how large the ports are and which carbie you run to see how hard you can pull on the Prelude. those twin cam VTECs are one of the few engines out there that can match rotaries in without modification.

 

the SE's were available for 84 and 85 only ...

 

I thought it was for higher end power...like kicking in around 5K RPM? The oil pressure is what activates the system, and causes the cam to move to activate the Vtec (Variable valve Electronic Control, right?) lobe on the cam....Right? Cause all it does is change the valve timing by moving the cam over and using larger lobes on the shaft...Or so I remember being told...

~T.J.

 

Here you go...Check this out...

http://www.howstuffworks.com/question229.htm

~T.J.

 

The only way I see Preludes as contenders is if you have a vtec controller to make the vtec kick in earlier. Because by the time the vtec kicks in, you're like 1000rpms from the readline. Like I said, my girlfriend has one, and we go pretty much everywhere in her car...and from a stop, they're not much. But then again, maybe I'm being a little harsh, because the only other car I've driven recently to compare the Prelude to is my FD...which KICKS A$$.

 

yeah ... you're right on all counts.

it's a hydraulic system (run off oil pressure)
it activates at 5500 RPM
and yeah, it's for high end power

for some reason, people (including many Honda VTEC owners) think it's for low end, and it's not. the truth is, the VTEC's are a lot like rotaries in their power curve. the have a pretty soft low end, but from the midrange to the upper RPM's not many things can touch them. also, turbocharging suits them quite well ... but all things being equal, the non-VTEC motors will pull them off the line everytime!

 

yeah, but you also said that your girlfriend's car is automatic, and unless you shift it manually from gear to gear, you're probably not going to take the engine to the VERY end of the powerband before it shifts to the next gear.

my best friend had a VTEC Prelude, with very modest modifications, and i'm sure his car could take stock SE, and any N/A Gen II car ... he'd probably have lots trouble with good streetport, a T2 and of course, the Gen III cars. but my point is, he could dispatch a stock Rx-7 a lot easier than even i want to admit.

 

You're right...I've never driven a MT Prelude. You'd probably be able to get a better start off the line with MT because you could drop the gear closer to the vtec point. Her car is fine once it gets going. I just don't like racing it from a stop.

 

i just want to clarify that a bit ... the twin cam VTEC's (Prelude, Integra, RS-X and all the JDM Type-R cars) ... those are what i'm talking about ... the single cam VTEC's are pretty strong on the low to midrange.

 

On campus once i raced a chick in a Vtec prelude that apparently didn't know how to shift. She got her *** kicked... then a guy in a WRX pulled up next to me and started reving his engine....

 

LOL...

I've raced 3 latest-gen Preludes this summer. Two of them modded as far as I could see (meaning they had a catback), and one stock SH model.

I walked away from them all.

The stock SH was just last week - and I ripped him. Raced from a stop at a redlight, and he was nowhere close. He was spinning his tires into every gear, but I pulled 2 car lengths on him until I shut it down near the top of 3rd gear. It could be he was a shitty driver, but that's no excuse; he still lost royally.

BTW, to put it in perspective, I also raced an Audi TT a few weeks ago on my way to work. Started side by side about 60 kph, dropped the hammer until we shut it down around 150 kph. Interesting thing is, it was very, very close. I pulled a tiny bit on him, maybe a third of a car length, and that was it. Probably only the 180hp 2000 model I'm thinking.

You guys gotta give the first gens some more credit. I'm still running stockport and I'm surprising the hell out of a lot of these guys.

 

silverrocket~

those are some pretty sweet kills! and they are legit, too, unlike some guys that will brag about beating a Stanza or Tempo or something. what do you run? 12A? 13B? what intake?

i'm not really that surprised about the TT, they are quite torquey motors, and they're not too shabby in the HP department either ... 180 (regular) and 225 (Quattro) ... so i'm not surprised at all. but i'm thinking if you're doing all of this your car can't be stock!

and i'm just saying that the Preludes will beat a stock Rx-7 12A or 13B, that's all.

 

I have raced a stock 99ish prelude and beat him pretty easily. But my car isn't stock though, so stock vs stock I think the lude would take it.

My friend has an 01 lude with an AEM intake and greddy cat back exhaust. He beats me every time by 2-3 car lengths up to my redline in 3rd gear.

 

Thanks buddy!

12A stockport (original motor, 130,000 kms), RB Dellorto intake, RB short primary system, Carter fuel pump, Holley FPR, Black Magic e-fan, *stock ignition lol*.

Car is a GS though, no air conditioning, no sunroof, no power anything. I've pulled out a thing or two, no sound-deadening mats, no spare tire or jack, nothing in storage bays, minimal stereo, etc.

I think the lightness factor has a lot to do with it. I've never run into a GSL-SE that I haven't been able to beat, but I'm sure if weight were equalized it would be a different story.

See, thing is, he's got 30 or so more hp than I do... but he's heavy as all hell in comparison. That weight really makes a difference. I actually was very pleased at this result; I walked into work that day with a smile a mile wide.

I agree with that, I'm just saying that any given 12A with a few mods is nothing to be trifled with for most Honda guys.

 

Straight line:
I owned a 99' Prelude 5 speed. Zero engine mods. It was faster than any of the 5 fb's I've driven, including an SE that felt very strong.

Corners:
I had tokico illuminas, tokico springs, ST sway bars, and Spoon strut tower bars with 215/40 17 Yokohama A520's on Stern Aguzze S07R's on the Prelude. On my 82' GS (with all the right GSL goodies) I've got tokico blues, st sway bars, front aftermarket swaybar with poly bushings, and 15x6 front/15x7 rear (I think) Panasports wrapped in 195/50 and 205/50 Dunlop SP8000's. I think my lude was faster on big highway sweepers, but the fb seems to have the standard rwd advantage through the tight twisties. Stock vs. stock, both of which I've driven, I'd say it's a toss up on the big curves and the tight ones.

 

Funny that you mention that...I JUST NOW beat a Vtec Prelude (the newest body style, where the accords look just like them basically). We were both on the freeway, and I was on my back from downtown Seattle with my friend in his Integra (late 80s style). Then, this prelude with a body kit, exhaust, 5" tach, the works pulled up next to me and revved his engine. My friend was in the carpool lane, I was in the next lane to the right, and the prelude one more over. Being the "competitive" person I am, I reved the engine while downshifting to third and took off. He could keep up . He tried a few times to pass me, but I would shift around 6500 into 4th and pull away again . It was GREAT!! This was when I had a 170 lb passenger too (of course, Im only 125). Im so proud of my little baby. He was shifting like crazy too. After I took off, I heard him downshift, then he up shifted, then I was pulling away in 4th so he downshifted again, it was GREAT I tell ya . The only reason I know it was a Vtec was that my friend in the Integra (and his three passengers) confirmed it. Otherwise I wouldnt have know, he never got in front of me . On antoehr note I also just raced a late 80s Corvette, and paced him through 4 gears (kinda)...I was REALLY surprised about that one...BTW, I am driving a BONE STOCK 85 GSL with 207,xx miles and royaly f***ed exhaust...

~T.J.