Rat's Nest Close-Up Pics
11-20-07, 09:42 PM
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Rat's Nest Close-Up Pics
Hey Guys,
To troubleshoot problems with my friend's car, we removed his carb, intake manifold and rat's nest and rebuilt it on a bench. In the end we ended up just doing a stealthemissions removal by first doing the whole rat's nest and emissions removal, then just tacking everything back together over top of the blockoff plates and vac caps
Here are the pics for anyone who needs a good close up of the nest. I've got all of these in double this size as well, I just resized them for posting.
Jon
To troubleshoot problems with my friend's car, we removed his carb, intake manifold and rat's nest and rebuilt it on a bench. In the end we ended up just doing a stealthemissions removal by first doing the whole rat's nest and emissions removal, then just tacking everything back together over top of the blockoff plates and vac caps
Here are the pics for anyone who needs a good close up of the nest. I've got all of these in double this size as well, I just resized them for posting.
Jon
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11-20-07, 10:02 PM
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Lol, okay so someone asked me why I went through the trouble, after all this, of doing a full emissions removal and then tacking everything back on over top of the block off plates.
It's to pass the safety check.
So yeah... we took off the ACV, made a block off plate, and tacked the ACV back on top
Same thing with the tube that comes off the intake and goes to the other cat
Same thing with the anti-afterburn valve and the spot it goes to on the intake (plugged it with JBWeld and a bolt, then put the hose on over top)
etc.. etc...
So now we've got a well running completely emissions-equipment-unencumbered car that *looks* stock
ultraStealth
Jon
Edit: I didn't mention that the safety's main focus isn't emissions, it's a full-car check that covers brakes, suspension, loose heat shields, any rust holes that actually go through the metal, steering, "obstruction of the windshield" (yes, they nailed me for fuzzy dice before as being "unsafe"), and anything else they can get their hands on. Most people fail it the first time unless it's a new car.
It's to pass the safety check.
Jon says:
Either way, the car ran perfect with all the emissions stuff removed, so we just tacked everything on over top of the block off plates. The guys at the safety check will never know that all the emissions controls are nonfunctional
chris says:
lol wtf is the safety check
Jon says:
oh, lol.. in Canada, in order for your vehicle to be given a license plate and be considered road-legal, it must first pass a "safety check"
Once you pass the "safety check" your registration is valid and you don't ever have to do it again as long as your car doesn't stay off the road for more than 12 consecutive months
Jon says:
whenever a car changes hands or stays off the road for a year, it must go through the safety check again
Jon says:
all emissions equipment must be "present and intact" for the safety... but no real verification is done to check if it's actually doing anything... unless you're in a province that has e-tests
chris says:
lol we dont have that **** in nz
Either way, the car ran perfect with all the emissions stuff removed, so we just tacked everything on over top of the block off plates. The guys at the safety check will never know that all the emissions controls are nonfunctional
chris says:
lol wtf is the safety check
Jon says:
oh, lol.. in Canada, in order for your vehicle to be given a license plate and be considered road-legal, it must first pass a "safety check"
Once you pass the "safety check" your registration is valid and you don't ever have to do it again as long as your car doesn't stay off the road for more than 12 consecutive months
Jon says:
whenever a car changes hands or stays off the road for a year, it must go through the safety check again
Jon says:
all emissions equipment must be "present and intact" for the safety... but no real verification is done to check if it's actually doing anything... unless you're in a province that has e-tests
chris says:
lol we dont have that **** in nz
So yeah... we took off the ACV, made a block off plate, and tacked the ACV back on top
Same thing with the tube that comes off the intake and goes to the other cat
Same thing with the anti-afterburn valve and the spot it goes to on the intake (plugged it with JBWeld and a bolt, then put the hose on over top)
etc.. etc...
So now we've got a well running completely emissions-equipment-unencumbered car that *looks* stock
ultraStealth
Jon
Edit: I didn't mention that the safety's main focus isn't emissions, it's a full-car check that covers brakes, suspension, loose heat shields, any rust holes that actually go through the metal, steering, "obstruction of the windshield" (yes, they nailed me for fuzzy dice before as being "unsafe"), and anything else they can get their hands on. Most people fail it the first time unless it's a new car.
Last edited by vipernicus42; 11-20-07 at 10:10 PM.
11-21-07, 11:23 AM
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Quebec safeties are way more strict.
In Ontario, almost any garage can apply for permission to conduct safties. They undoubtedly have to pay for the permit, but they can do it.
In Quebec all safety checks are done at government-run garages that do nothing but safety checks. There's usually only one per region, maybe two. So it's impossible to have a friend who owns a garage "pass you" through the check. They're real bastards when it comes to being picky about stupid stuff.
On my safety check they took a screwdriver and started jabbing at the underside of my car until they found a place where it went through the weak metal and wrote down "rust perforation, red flag" , then they saw the fuzzy dice I had at the time and wrote down "obstruction of the windshield, red flag" and that's how I failed. Seriously.
Another friend of mine didn't have an air pump and they nailed him for it.
So emissions stuff has to be "present and intact"... but they don't have a sniffer and there are no e-tests in Quebec so they have no way to test if it works, and probably don't really care.
They look for anything out of the ordinary, so if there are a lot of things capped off, blocked off, or tubes leading to nowhere, it gets them curious and they'll probably flag you for it.
Jon
In Ontario, almost any garage can apply for permission to conduct safties. They undoubtedly have to pay for the permit, but they can do it.
In Quebec all safety checks are done at government-run garages that do nothing but safety checks. There's usually only one per region, maybe two. So it's impossible to have a friend who owns a garage "pass you" through the check. They're real bastards when it comes to being picky about stupid stuff.
On my safety check they took a screwdriver and started jabbing at the underside of my car until they found a place where it went through the weak metal and wrote down "rust perforation, red flag" , then they saw the fuzzy dice I had at the time and wrote down "obstruction of the windshield, red flag" and that's how I failed. Seriously.
Another friend of mine didn't have an air pump and they nailed him for it.
So emissions stuff has to be "present and intact"... but they don't have a sniffer and there are no e-tests in Quebec so they have no way to test if it works, and probably don't really care.
They look for anything out of the ordinary, so if there are a lot of things capped off, blocked off, or tubes leading to nowhere, it gets them curious and they'll probably flag you for it.
Jon
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I didnt know they were allowed to actullay punch holes in the car to find rust holes, I thought the hole actually had to be there already, also a screw driver is sharp enough, even if the metal is a little weak it will go through with enough force. In ontario at least the search for holes is to find any that will allow exhaust fumes into the car. Unless the hole is already starting there should be no reason for them to take tools to your car. And fuzzy dice? How is that an obstruction and the rear view mirror isn't? On top of that the dice can be easily removed. But whatever, that's the Quebec government (or all governments) for ya.
12-06-07, 11:17 AM
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I'm pretty sure Jon mentioned to me that it was the handle they where hitting the underside of the car with. Personaly if the screwdriver can puncture the underside of the car then what's to stop a stone or other road debris from doing the same, only you don't know there's a problem when a rock does it.
They took the screwdriver handle to the underside of my car when it went through safety (luckily no punctures). The car failed it's first safety check because I had exhaust leaks at every cat and I needed to get my bearings tightened. After they found those things that really NEEDED fixing they tacked on a healight adjustment and a spare tire fastener. I took the car in to Speedy Muffler to get the exhaust and bearings done, did the rest myself; 140$ later the REX passed... and I was granted the priveledge of shelling out another 250$ for plates...
They took the screwdriver handle to the underside of my car when it went through safety (luckily no punctures). The car failed it's first safety check because I had exhaust leaks at every cat and I needed to get my bearings tightened. After they found those things that really NEEDED fixing they tacked on a healight adjustment and a spare tire fastener. I took the car in to Speedy Muffler to get the exhaust and bearings done, did the rest myself; 140$ later the REX passed... and I was granted the priveledge of shelling out another 250$ for plates...
12-06-07, 12:49 PM
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And now we prep for Phase II 
Phase I was getting it passed safety and plated so we can do whatever we want to the car. Now we've pulled the engine, transmission, most of the exhaust, and everything from the engine bay in prep for body work and paint.
This car should be one hell of a beauty when it's done.
Jon
Phase I was getting it passed safety and plated so we can do whatever we want to the car. Now we've pulled the engine, transmission, most of the exhaust, and everything from the engine bay in prep for body work and paint.
This car should be one hell of a beauty when it's done.
Jon
12-08-07, 11:35 PM
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Actually I have some pictures of the engine bay tear-down.
First off is a shot of the car from the front before we started working on it Saturday.
Followed by a shot of the unbearably stock engine bay.
Here's a close up of a friends carb I'm running. My Carb has an issue with the accelerator pump check ball (it's stuck and won't budge).
Next up we have a look at the side of the engine after removing some of the more obvious bits and pieces.
And an overall look at the engine bay at the end of day Saturday.
At this point I noticed two things:
A) Someone had fun with the wrong color of blue paint inside my engine bay.
and B) There's a lot of emissions crap that I don't need.
First off is a shot of the car from the front before we started working on it Saturday.
Followed by a shot of the unbearably stock engine bay.
Here's a close up of a friends carb I'm running. My Carb has an issue with the accelerator pump check ball (it's stuck and won't budge).
Next up we have a look at the side of the engine after removing some of the more obvious bits and pieces.
And an overall look at the engine bay at the end of day Saturday.
At this point I noticed two things:
A) Someone had fun with the wrong color of blue paint inside my engine bay.
and B) There's a lot of emissions crap that I don't need.
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Sunday were were so excited after getting the engine lift we forgot to take pictures until we were done...
We started by removing the heat shield under the car and removing the speedometer cable. once that was out of the way Jon and I set about figuring out how to disconnect the gearshift assembly inside the car so the tranny would come out. it turned out much easier than I expected. If anyone wants directions I'd have to take a look at it again to really explain it. once that was done we unbolted the engine and tranny mounts. we used a jack to help stabilize the tail of the tranny as we dropped it to clear the shifter arm. Here's a few shots we thought to take after we got the motor and tranny out.
We started by removing the heat shield under the car and removing the speedometer cable. once that was out of the way Jon and I set about figuring out how to disconnect the gearshift assembly inside the car so the tranny would come out. it turned out much easier than I expected. If anyone wants directions I'd have to take a look at it again to really explain it. once that was done we unbolted the engine and tranny mounts. we used a jack to help stabilize the tail of the tranny as we dropped it to clear the shifter arm. Here's a few shots we thought to take after we got the motor and tranny out.
12-09-07, 03:04 PM
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Amazingly enough we actually did away with the nest shortly after the original post.
When it goes back together it will have no nest, no airpump, a Sterling and ported manifold with no ACV, RB exhaust, FD-alt with dual pulley...
So yeah it will be quite a bit simpler.
Jon
When it goes back together it will have no nest, no airpump, a Sterling and ported manifold with no ACV, RB exhaust, FD-alt with dual pulley...
So yeah it will be quite a bit simpler.
Jon
12-09-07, 04:44 PM
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