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Old Oct 26, 2003 | 07:06 PM
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rack and pinion

Can someone explain to me the differences in rack-n-pinion and reciprocating ball steering? Is rack/pinion that much better or does it really matter? Could an FC rack fit an FB?
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Old Oct 26, 2003 | 07:16 PM
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Also, are there other things that could be swapped from a S4 RX7 onto an FB?
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Old Oct 26, 2003 | 07:16 PM
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http://auto.howstuffworks.com/steering.htm

they explain it very well
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Old Oct 26, 2003 | 07:24 PM
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Also, are there other things that could be swapped from a S4 RX7 onto an FB?
You cannot swap the rack and pinion from a s4 rx7. If you want rack and pinion, you need the joliver kit. You can get it at www.cpracing.ca
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Old Oct 26, 2003 | 07:36 PM
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yeah...howstuffworks is a great site BUT I already know how it works. I've never, however, driven a car with recirculating ball steering. Which one is better...what's the difference between them? THNX horn...
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Old Oct 26, 2003 | 08:15 PM
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In a rack and pinion steering system, the pressure of the gear against the rack pushes the rack back and forth - very little slop.

In a recirculating ball system, the ***** over time get worn. The very nature of the design allows for some slop (else the ***** would be locked in place) and as they wear it exacerbates the problem.

Furthermore, recirculating ball relies on multiple linkages through the pitman arm, idler arm, etc. before the tie rods are actually moved. Each of these linkages has bearings and bushings that wear over time. A rack, in contrast, is connected to the tie rods with very few total number of bearings in the complete system. It's smaller, lighter, and more precise.
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Old Oct 26, 2003 | 08:32 PM
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well it's possible to "swap" the FC into FB. I have done it. As you can see from the sig. But you need a lot of tools and time for fabrication.

If yours is sloppy, you can tighten it up. I am sure someone will post up the link to the page that explains how to take away some of the sloppiness.

Good luck
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Old Oct 26, 2003 | 08:37 PM
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what was involved in the swap?
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Old Oct 26, 2003 | 08:49 PM
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well u need to have a shop or access to a shop for sure.
Bunch of welding for the new holes for the FC subframe.
Some cutting and drilling on the FB frames. Lots of measuring to make sure the engine will sit in the proper position.
After that you have to run front FC suspension and bolt pattern. either 5x4.5 or 4x4.5. If you car is GSL-SE, you already have 4x4.5, so that's not too bad. If not, then you will have different wheel in front than back. Unless you go ahead and do something about the back like I did.
Plus the front suspension on the FC sits about an inch too high, so you have to get some aftermarket ones and lower the car or modify the shock and the spring perch.
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Old Oct 26, 2003 | 08:57 PM
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worth it?
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Old Oct 26, 2003 | 09:22 PM
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Definitely worth it. The car is not on track yet as the engine is getting done. But this is one of the best things I've done.
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Old Oct 26, 2003 | 09:24 PM
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Cool...I have an bundance of FC's and welding skills so it may be something I take on...
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Old Oct 26, 2003 | 09:26 PM
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Well I have a lot of pictures available at my site if you want to take a look at them: http://www.bcrx7.com/omid.php

There are quite a bit of pictures on there, so it will take a while to load up.
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Old Oct 26, 2003 | 09:33 PM
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Old Oct 26, 2003 | 11:24 PM
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Does teh CPracing kit replace the rod taht the steering wheel slides onto? Today i fucked mine up royally and i am thinking this kit is what i need to fix my problems and an excuse so i can upgrade.

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Old Oct 26, 2003 | 11:31 PM
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Do you mean the steering column?

The kit uses the double u joint linkage from the VW Rabbit to connect the steering column spline to the pinion spline on the rack.

If I misunderstood you question, my apologies. In any case, you should contact CPracing to ask them directly. They are the only authoritative source of info on this kit.

FWIW, I have two VW racks that I pulled, and I hope to get at least one kit in December.

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