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Old Mar 22, 2008 | 09:20 PM
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IN new products out

I love checking sites and seeing great new products for our car.

http://www.atkinsrotary.com/store/pr...cat=374&page=1
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Old Mar 22, 2008 | 09:36 PM
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thats a nice kit..
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Old Mar 22, 2008 | 10:33 PM
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That's just great, ANOTHER $100 to spend.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 06:05 AM
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I must be missing the point.

The catalog reference doesn't seem to show an illustration of the kit installed. Why not?

The belt does not look like a standard v-belt. Does it require special pulleys? If so, where are they and what do they cost?

What is the benefit of this kit compared to the standard setup?

I have always liked the stock setup because it is right on top for easy access and easy belt adjustment. I have owned a lot of these cars and never had a problem with the stock alternator installation.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 09:32 AM
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I'm interested in it if it makes the lightweight racing style alternators easy to mount without building custom stuff.

The stock alternator gets in the way of the Weber 48 IDA airbox I've got. Had to make some cutouts for the alternator to fit, even when using an SE or 2nd gen alternator. The 1st gen alternator is way to big.

So I guess my question to atkins would be what alternators is this kit designed for?
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by stilettoman
The catalog reference doesn't seem to show an illustration of the kit installed. Why not?

The belt does not look like a standard v-belt. Does it require special pulleys? If so, where are they and what do they cost?

What is the benefit of this kit compared to the standard setup?

I have always liked the stock setup because it is right on top for easy access and easy belt adjustment. I have owned a lot of these cars and never had a problem with the stock alternator installation.
I agree totally. I don't know what's up with that belt. It doesn't look like a v-belt to me either. I like the alt relocation setup that Blake/Pineapple racing had. They had a version with a heim joint for easy alt belt adjustment.

The advantage of these types of setups:
- cleans up top on engine
- moves the weight of the alt lower
- more belt contact area with waterpump to reduce belt slippage. Could prevent the need for running dual alt belts when removing the airpump.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 11:19 AM
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This kit would also be useful for people that need to run piping or in cpa7man's case, have clearance issues with airboxes.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 10:20 PM
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i want to see installed pics
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 10:32 PM
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I have pmed dan about maybe getting pics.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 10:39 PM
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Guys, I'm sure the serpentine belt in those pics does not need to be used. Just get a similar length V belt and you won't have to change your pullies.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 11:22 PM
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This is awesome! I thought that I was out of luck with this getting this set-up since pineapple dropped it. Now I can keep the top of my keg uncluttered.
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Old Mar 24, 2008 | 06:45 AM
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I'd like to see some pictures of this installed as well...
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 10:02 PM
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Has anybody ordered this kit yet? nick812, did you get a response from Dan?
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 10:48 PM
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looks great.
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 11:34 PM
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Dan does not have pics yet.
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 09:06 AM
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If it mounts to the airpump mount on the engine, that sucks because I dont have those studs anymore...

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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 10:01 AM
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^^I'm sure you could find some studs in the parts forum.^^
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 10:03 AM
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I am willing to bet that it mounts to where the AC/Power steering mounted.
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 03:47 PM
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yes it mountswhere the ps and ac used to be.
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 04:11 PM
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I like the kit....but unfortunetly for me i NEED my A/C....i live in south TX so its get ungodly hot here lol.
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 06:40 PM
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Pfff, like it doesnt get hot other places...
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 10:27 PM
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Looks great would also be interested in contact info for the kit
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Old Mar 30, 2008 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by gsl-se addict
I agree totally. I don't know what's up with that belt. It doesn't look like a v-belt to me either. I like the alt relocation setup that Blake/Pineapple racing had. They had a version with a heim joint for easy alt belt adjustment.

The advantage of these types of setups:
- cleans up top on engine
- moves the weight of the alt lower
- more belt contact area with waterpump to reduce belt slippage. Could prevent the need for running dual alt belts when removing the airpump.
I believe the Pineapple Racing setup was discontinued due to some durability concerns. The steel structure was fairly narrow where it made the 90 deg turn for the alternator pivot attachment. Blake told me (God rest his soul) that there were some failures, especially on engines that had competition or solid engine mounts. As for the heim joints, Pineapple stopped offering those because customers would over-tension the belt, causing alt. bearing failures.

This Atkins setup looks more robust.

Yes, any side mount setup will increase belt wrap, but I don't think it's necessary if you're running a serpentine belt. The stock location with a serpentine is essentially what Mazda has on the RX-8 (and I have on my car), with no issues.

Lastly, Guru Racing in Australia offers a similar setup. Theirs has been around for years, and I even bought one. The Guru unit has the benefit of anodized pieces, snazzier machining, with the downside of a much higher pricetag. Their setup placed my alternator pulley in the wrong plane, and I was in a rush to put the car back together, so it's still on a shelf.
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Old Mar 30, 2008 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by elwood
I believe the Pineapple Racing setup was discontinued due to some durability concerns. The steel structure was fairly narrow where it made the 90 deg turn for the alternator pivot attachment. Blake told me (God rest his soul) that there were some failures, especially on engines that had competition or solid engine mounts. As for the heim joints, Pineapple stopped offering those because customers would over-tension the belt, causing alt. bearing failures.

This Atkins setup looks more robust.

Yes, any side mount setup will increase belt wrap, but I don't think it's necessary if you're running a serpentine belt. The stock location with a serpentine is essentially what Mazda has on the RX-8 (and I have on my car), with no issues.

Lastly, Guru Racing in Australia offers a similar setup. Theirs has been around for years, and I even bought one. The Guru unit has the benefit of anodized pieces, snazzier machining, with the downside of a much higher pricetag. Their setup placed my alternator pulley in the wrong plane, and I was in a rush to put the car back together, so it's still on a shelf.

Curious would you have picture of the Guru one?
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Old Mar 30, 2008 | 11:05 PM
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Curious would you have picture of the Guru one?
Found it. Price is higher at $220 AUS. Here's the link and some pics:

http://www.xtremerotaries.com/main2/new%20products.htm
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