1st Generation Specific (1979-1985) 1979-1985 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections

need some advice on getting lower compression

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 23, 2008 | 06:44 PM
  #1  
crzzy_jay's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 24
Likes: 0
From: colorado
need some advice on getting lower compression

i have a turbo and a custom exhaust flange and now i need to figure out how to lower the compression i've heard different ways but idk can anyone help lol
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2008 | 06:54 PM
  #2  
BlackWorksInc's Avatar
Wrkn Toyota, Rootn Wankel
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,642
Likes: 1
From: "Haystack" Hayward, CA
Huh? I was under the impression that creating higher stable compression was what you wanted... especially for a turbo since your cramming more air and fuel into the chambers..

Could be wrong though, there was a V12 Porsche Racecar with 6-8ish:1 compression that put out a healthy 1200hp...
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2008 | 07:00 PM
  #3  
crzzy_jay's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 24
Likes: 0
From: colorado
well dont you need low compression rotors to be able to get a high amount of boost
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2008 | 07:54 PM
  #4  
3rd and final 7's Avatar
wheres the water goin?
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,586
Likes: 0
From: Nor Cal
what kinda engine you have a 12A or 13B
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2008 | 07:54 PM
  #5  
BlackWorksInc's Avatar
Wrkn Toyota, Rootn Wankel
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,642
Likes: 1
From: "Haystack" Hayward, CA
Wouldn't know, have to ask one of the turbo'ed guys... I'm still NA myself and the only turbo set-ups I know are boingers.
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2008 | 08:00 PM
  #6  
crzzy_jay's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 24
Likes: 0
From: colorado
i have a 12a
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2008 | 08:44 PM
  #7  
djmtsu's Avatar
DGRRX
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 2,243
Likes: 0
From: Murfreesboro TN
Originally Posted by crzzy_jay
i have a 12a
Why don't you try to shim the head gasket?

Sell the car now. You have shown that you have zero clue WTF you are doing. Get rid of the car before you **** up a car that someone else can get alot of enjoyment out of.

Or you can DIAF.
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2008 | 11:14 PM
  #8  
djessence's Avatar
djessence
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 2,063
Likes: 0
From: Alberta, Canada
Wow, harsh! While I don't quite agree with diaf, I believe the OP has some SERIOUS reading up to go on engines, turbos, basically everything in general. Compression ratios are pretty much stuck, unless you change engine internals, i.e rotating assembly, because of the way compression is achieved. Seriously. Read about engines, I dont care what type, they all operate the same kind of way (gonna get murdered for saying that)

I'm not going to judge and I'm not trying to be condescending, but i have a feeling with the extent of knowledge you have shown, you are not going to get very far on your turbo application if you don't start gaining some knowledge.

Demonspawn. For turbo applications you usually want lower compression. This is why the TII rotors are lower compression than late 12A rotors IIRC. High compression with boost results in detonation and we all know what ends up with that.

And ^, what do you mean by head gasket or are you ******* with him?

OP, why don't you read up on some of the threads concerning turbo 12A applications before you start assuming things. Since there are a bunch running boosted 12A's.....
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2008 | 12:35 AM
  #9  
FirebirdSlayer666's Avatar
Famous Taillights
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,443
Likes: 2
From: Hagerstown, MD
He was ******* with him with the head gasket. I agree to read read read!!! If you want high boost in a 12A then you need the knowledge to do it. What turbo are you planning to run, boost pressure, hp goals, budget? Too many factors
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2008 | 12:39 AM
  #10  
BlackWorksInc's Avatar
Wrkn Toyota, Rootn Wankel
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,642
Likes: 1
From: "Haystack" Hayward, CA
Originally Posted by djessence
Wow, harsh! While I don't quite agree with diaf, I believe the OP has some SERIOUS reading up to go on engines, turbos, basically everything in general. Compression ratios are pretty much stuck, unless you change engine internals, i.e rotating assembly, because of the way compression is achieved. Seriously. Read about engines, I dont care what type, they all operate the same kind of way (gonna get murdered for saying that)

I'm not going to judge and I'm not trying to be condescending, but i have a feeling with the extent of knowledge you have shown, you are not going to get very far on your turbo application if you don't start gaining some knowledge.

Demonspawn. For turbo applications you usually want lower compression. This is why the TII rotors are lower compression than late 12A rotors IIRC. High compression with boost results in detonation and we all know what ends up with that.

And ^, what do you mean by head gasket or are you ******* with him?

OP, why don't you read up on some of the threads concerning turbo 12A applications before you start assuming things. Since there are a bunch running boosted 12A's.....
Thanks for clearing that up for me, Like I said I haven't looked very deeply into turboed rotaries. I'll dip into a couple of the archives to get some more info how how one would set-up internals so next time this comes up I can actually sound smarted.

As for the previous post... I don't think that is the most supportive or even helpful way to put that. We all started out not really knowing our cars, (Unless you were born a car genius? ) While I think he needs to read up more... I don't think he needs to give up an opportunity to learn and expand his boundaries because of limited knowledge.

I reccomend you find the FAQ and read a couple of the books on Rotaries, they are very helpful and fairly interesting to read from a technical standpoint.

Hang on to your ides for now and learn a bit more before you try anything, you know the whole measure twice cut once thing. It saves a lot of time, money, and heartbreak.

Okays I am done on the blathering.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2008 | 01:33 PM
  #11  
j9fd3s's Avatar
Moderator
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 31,833
Likes: 3,232
From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by DemonSpawn67
Huh? I was under the impression that creating higher stable compression was what you wanted... especially for a turbo since your cramming more air and fuel into the chambers..

Could be wrong though, there was a V12 Porsche Racecar with 6-8ish:1 compression that put out a healthy 1200hp...
you're contradicting yourself! anyways an air cooled 5.4 liter flat 12 from 72, has little in common with a rotary. if you keep reading about the porsche, when you try to cool 1000hp with a ceiling fan, you need to do everything you can to try and keep the engine from literally melting.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2008 | 03:23 PM
  #12  
BlackWorksInc's Avatar
Wrkn Toyota, Rootn Wankel
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,642
Likes: 1
From: "Haystack" Hayward, CA
What are are you talking about?

you completely lost me there...
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2008 | 04:15 PM
  #13  
j9fd3s's Avatar
Moderator
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 31,833
Likes: 3,232
From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by DemonSpawn67
What are are you talking about?

you completely lost me there...
you said "I was under the impression that creating higher stable compression was what you wanted... especially for a turbo since your cramming more air and fuel into the chambers..

Could be wrong though, there was a V12 Porsche Racecar with 6-8ish:1 compression that put out a healthy 1200hp..."

stock for a 12A is 9.4:1, should we raise compression since we're "cramming more air and fuel into the chambers" or should we cast our own rotors so we can run 6:1 like porsche did 30years ago, or mercedes did 30years before that?
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2008 | 05:59 PM
  #14  
BlackWorksInc's Avatar
Wrkn Toyota, Rootn Wankel
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,642
Likes: 1
From: "Haystack" Hayward, CA
Ahh... I'd figure for a turbo you would need the higher compression to offset the forced induction...

My logic is More compression = Higher compressing pressure?

Again, I haven't bothered to look into turboed rotaries, and the only engines that I know a little about that are turboed are like those appliances (hondas blegh!), little high Comp 4 boingers and such...

Always looking for more knowledge though so thanks.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
ZacMan
Build Threads
4
Sep 19, 2015 09:20 PM
BLK 93
3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002)
11
Sep 9, 2015 10:56 AM
risingsunroof82
1st Generation Specific (1979-1985)
8
Sep 7, 2015 01:11 PM
ZaqAtaq
New Member RX-7 Technical
2
Sep 5, 2015 08:57 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:06 PM.