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Old 01-01-03, 03:26 PM
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Mounting the Carter Pump

I have the carter 7-8 psi pump but i have it mounted in the stock location.. i have it mounted vertically and it is hanging a bit too low... i was wondering sice it has a sticker on it that says mount this way up.. i was wondering if i could mount it on its side, just not upside down? what would the effects be? i would like to keep the stock location but if i have to move it i will.. thanks!
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i would not suggest mounting it on horizontally..
mount it right in front of the rear axle, when the body slopes up..
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mines mounted horizontally, it works fine. the only thing is it makes an annoying noise against the car even with the rubber piece i installed between. but it functions just as well as it would vertically im sure.

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Originally posted by riffraff
i would not suggest mounting it on horizontally..
mount it right in front of the rear axle, when the body slopes up..

Thats how mine is mounted. I mounted my first one horiz and it failed after 3 races. Of course I have no proof that thats what caused it.
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its not.... i ran a whole season like that.

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thanks i will screw it to the floor somewhere and we will see what happens thanks guys!
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Do you really think the instructions tell you not to mount it horizontally just for the hell of it? Why take the easy option and risk damaging the pump instead of mounting it properly? Anyone with a bit of brains can do it.
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well i didnt want to, but i didnt have much of a choice. the SRX7 rules state that if you replace your stock fuel pump, the aftermarket one has to be within [some number] of inches of where the stock one was. and theres not a hell of a lot of choices and doing it the way i did it was very easy.

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to stay sort of on topic, how easy is this pump to mount, pics maybe?

i'm looking for something, cause i'm not sure the stock pump is gonna be allright for the dellorto and exhaust... i dont really know, but i'm going by what i hear. I figure if i'd be robbing myself of power by using the stock pump, why not pony up the $60 and hit up summit for the carter pump cause i already have a regulator (i dont know which one, but it's sitting in the box of random crap that came with my car when i picked it up)

lemee know what you think, i'm looking for something not too difficult, and something fairly necessary, cause my pump alone dosent sound too healthy.
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Originally posted by REVHED
Do you really think the instructions tell you not to mount it horizontally just for the hell of it? Why take the easy option and risk damaging the pump instead of mounting it properly? Anyone with a bit of brains can do it.
That was my thinking with the MSD coils I bought. Everyone tried to tell me that they all had theirs mounted horizontally in the stock location and they had no problems. Oh well, Id rather do it right than risk my new parts .

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If all else fails, read the directions...
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Originally posted by specRX7_22
well i didnt want to, but i didnt have much of a choice. the SRX7 rules state that if you replace your stock fuel pump, the aftermarket one has to be within [some number] of inches of where the stock one was. and theres not a hell of a lot of choices and doing it the way i did it was very easy.

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Mate, I'm not having a go at you. I completely understand having to adhere to set rules.

But, there's no good reason IMHO for not taking the extra time to mount it properly on a street car. That way the pump will be mounted the way it's meant to be and it'll be quieter then mounting it to the floor.
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Originally posted by RotorMotorDriver

That was my thinking with the MSD coils I bought. Everyone tried to tell me that they all had theirs mounted horizontally in the stock location and they had no problems. Oh well, Id rather do it right than risk my new parts .

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reason for the msd coild to be mounted the way they say is for cooling purposes. but it will not adversly affect the spack... now i donot know about you, but i would be a little more concerned with my fuel. you donot want your pump to suddenly choke and starve your motor
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reason for the msd coild to be mounted the way they say is for cooling purposes. but it will not adversly affect the spack... now i donot know about you, but i would be a little more concerned with my fuel. you donot want your pump to suddenly choke and starve your motor
As far as it being only for cooling, no ****. But they designed it to mount that way to cool properly, right? They told you not too mount it like that for good reason, right? So by mounting like wrong, youre intentionally not cooling the coil propery, and as we all know, heat kills electronics. So why risk it? Just mount it right, save yourself the headache and problems, not to mention the money.

Basically, either way, no matter what it is, why not just adhere to the directions specifically written for the product youre using when you just paid good money for it? I see intentionally doing something wrong like that as just throwing money out the window. Maybe its just me...

~T.J.

PS - I dont want to sound like Im attacing anyone, Im just stating my opinion . Hope it doesnt sound too "pissed off".
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alright ill take the exrta time and mount it up on the slope of the frame rail... i have to move a few things around that are already there but we will see! thanks
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not a prob rotormotor. i should have made that a little more clear. ofcourse you should follow the guildlines and warning when mounting.. i guess my point was that it is less critical to mess with the coils. (meaning that you should definatly follow the rules with the pump).
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Originally posted by REVHED
Mate, I'm not having a go at you. I completely understand having to adhere to set rules.

But, there's no good reason IMHO for not taking the extra time to mount it properly on a street car. That way the pump will be mounted the way it's meant to be and it'll be quieter then mounting it to the floor.
no no i completely agree, for a street car i would not mount horizontally, mostly for noise reasons. but im pretty sure that bcty's car is a track car, like mine. i think i read one of his older posts that stated that.

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yeah its a track car.. with a few days on the street.. i could care lessa bout noise yeah straight pipe i guess i will try to mount diffrently higher up.. i was wondering though.. there is another smaller box that the fuel goes though and it look like it does nothing.. maybe its 1inch cubed and it sit above the the slope of the frame rail.. it has one fuel hose going in and one out the same side.. i was wondering if i could bypass this box? it would help with install thanks!
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oh p.s - who makes a visual inline fuel pressure gauge? preferably 1 - 7.. but ill take 1 - 10?
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ok i got it up where that little box was.. i kept that just in case i need it... i am useing the small bolts that came with that black box thing and a few zip ties to hold the black box up at the top and to make sure if the pump falls off its not going far!

so what about this gauge?
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Originally posted by bcty
yeah its a track car.. with a few days on the street.. i could care lessa bout noise yeah straight pipe i guess i will try to mount diffrently higher up.. i was wondering though.. there is another smaller box that the fuel goes though and it look like it does nothing.. maybe its 1inch cubed and it sit above the the slope of the frame rail.. it has one fuel hose going in and one out the same side.. i was wondering if i could bypass this box? it would help with install thanks!
Is the little box white plastic? Its your rollover valve.
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oh p.s - who makes a visual inline fuel pressure gauge? preferably 1 - 7.. but ill take 1 - 10?
Paul Yaw sells the most accurate one. His are calibrated on his flowbench.

0-5 psi IIRC
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the one Yaw makes it good because its only 0-5. i used to use a summit one that was like 0-30 and it was easy to get the pressure close, but there was no chance in getting it exactly what i wanted it to be.

with a fuel problem i had last season, i thought of removing that rollover valve to eliminate any possiblity of the problem, but then i thought.... what if i need it someday? especially since your car is a track car, i would recommend NOT bypassing the rollover valve. it turned out that wasnt my problem anyway.
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i think if your going to roll over anyways there worse things to worry about then your fuel not cutting off.. i remounted the pump and did my buddys as well and we removed the small box on his due to it cutting the fuel cuz we couldnt mount it anywhere good.. all is good thanks for the help guys

p.s - It sounds sweet!
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