trochoid

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This is a reply I made to a thread by a new member.


Well, now that we have thoroughly ragged on this guy, a little heads up for the noob.

This forum is full of information and you can get all the help you need, by following a few unwritten rules. 1. Spend some time reading the stickies at the top of the forum and take the responsibility to do some searching on your own. When you have a better understanding and can ask relevant questions, instead of asking to be spoon feed, post your questions. 2. You will find a strong anti-rice mind set here. If you want rice, visit an oriental eatery, or join the Honda forums.

With that said, welcome to an obsession.



This is the PM I found in my mail box.

Re: Thank you

Posted by DoubleJRacin2004
thank you for making me feel like a complete retard , and please forgive me for not having the vast knowledge you do but just to let you know that even a stock RX IS RICE!!! Thats why everyone refers to imports as rice burners so if you are anti rice go buy a Ford, Chevy, or a dodge. I cant believe I actually believed the guy at work who said people on this site are more than willing to HELP (as in advise, refer,and suggest) a new person who openly admits they know nothing about rotary engines : . I have done research and searched online and found nothing to help me fully understand the full workings of this engine(and how to squeeze more power out of it) so I figured I would give this site a shot (now I regret that). Furthermore if having a full understanding of this engine gives me a jag-off attitude then I am much happier not knowing anything.




My Repiy


You're welcome.

Whether you realize it or not, I did give you good advise, that you can use to prevent further responses like you got from most everyone else. I have earned a share of respect on this forum for my knowledge and help. I posted in your thread to stop the abuse you were getting and give you a heads up. Apparently your skin is a bit thinner than most.

A little history lesson. The term 'rice' has it's roots in 2 different trends. When the Japanese imports first came to the US, most of the flag waving union workers refered to them as 'rice burners', excludung all other imports. The other trend is the Japanese tuners and modders themselves and what they have done with thier cars. When the mods became extreme and excessive, the cars became 'riced out'.

Most of us here mod for perfomance, not bling. If it has "show' it needs to be backed up by 'go'. If you want to see an example of both, search for a thread tittled 'Unveiling" under my user name.

Am I anti-rice, yes. Riceing up a 7 to me is worse than doing a V8 conversion to one. But that is justy my opinion. Right or wrong, there are many of these opinions on the forum, it is, after all, still free speech.

We get a lot of new people who post and stumble on thier first one, occasionaly we get some that are very intelligent and well worded. You managed to push most of the wrong buttons on your first one.

Again, you're welcome, and welcome to the forum.


His Reply Back

well people need to keep opinions to themselves, all I wanted was advice but no need to worry I will build it to my liking and if people have a problem with it they can turn away. Also I was aking about power so apparently I wanted the power and the look but didnt have a clue on how to go about it, either way I wont bother with this site anymore because if I am judged by what I like and di-like instead of my enthusiasm on building my first rotary and taking on this challenge(or atleast it is to me) then I dont need to be afilliated with this crowd. I will return so I can talk to certain individuals from time to time hopefully by then I will have myself in proper order and so will others.


End of PM's

Now I realise that I have a sarcastic/ironic sense of humor and can be short and curt in my posts on occasion, but was I that far off base to warrant the PM's I recieved?

So, I throw myself to the mercy of my fellow 1st gen-er's and ask for feedback/opinions about my response to this new member. Do you think I was out of line, if so how/what. If the general consensus is that I was out of line, I will apologize to this him.

I am not concerned about the rudeness in his PM, so there is no need to comment on that part of the PM's. Any ragging on him may drive him farther away from the forum.

So, guys/gals, those that have an opinion, please post. Those that have a gripe with me, here is a your chance for a free shot.

OnlyOnThurs

That guy just needs to be stop being a ***** and get over it. He is toooooo sensitive.

Rotary Weasel

whoa...looks like you got the blame for all our posts
I apologize trochoid
apparently a sense of humor, is absent on this individual
by joining a forum, you subject yourself to opinions, and occasionally some actual facts from senior members
by posting a thread as this person did, and the context of said thread, opened themselves up for opinions
the replies were hardly on the harsh side..this person should try some other forums that come to mind...subaru, and honda forums come to mind...
this forum has very good advice, and friendly members for the most part
quite a few of us are obviously clowns at heart (myself)
and can't pass up a good thread to poke at..
this person sees the negative only..and decided to take it out on you trochoid..yet ironically, you were the one who actually helped...
pretty sad...lacking a sense of humor is an awful thing

Rotor Nut

What was the orginal thread everyone was ragging him on (so we can see the whole picture) ? But, it looks like you were trying to tell everyone to stop and help this gut out. I'm fairly new and I know when I'm right or wrong or when I thought I was right and turned out I was wrong. So I always said "thanks for the corrections" to you or any other of the more knowledgeable or senior members. I think he should of lighten up and listen

trochoid

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This was the original thread. https://www.rx7club.com/1st-generation-specific-1979-1985-18/new-rotary-523338/

seldawg

I would agree that this fella is a little too sensitive. I have not read the original thread and most likely will not. As far as your responses, I would have to agree with you. I too share the love for the 7 and do not categorize it as a" ricer " for the same reasons as you. For someone who knows little of the 7 ( obviuosly ), his opinion toward it should hold very little merit to all of us that do. I welcome any new member to our " obsession" (as this is exactly what it is) with open arms. I am a fairly new member but do not classify myself as a noob since I have owned a 7 for over 9 years and have done a lot of research to understand the rotary. I do tire of the repeated posts ( as we all do ) when the archive is easily used. My suggestion for the " sensitive " one is if he truly wants to understand our obsession he should be a little more open minded and willing to accept some opinions, this is after all a free country. From what I gather in this forum, your reply was what most were probably already thinking.

Jim

Rotor Nut

looks like when capt murph made the comment about the cams and stickers things went downhill. But you and Roundabout were the ones that, for the most part, that said to search the forum for you answers on engine upgrades. So he just needed to lighten up and take a few jokes, he should of asked a more specific question (e.g how much do headers or a new exhaust add in HP and which are the best to use with my 12a) and he would of gotten what he wanted to here. IMHO You didn't do anything seriously wrong.

82transam

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Why did you take the heat from that guy? If anything it was the others who pissed him off, although had I seen the thread I would have posted something similar I'm sure as I hate ricey **** as much as the rest of you. I dont think you were out of line trochoid, just a sensitive kid I guess....

capt murph

When I came on board I read, read, read. I searched searched searched too, based on reading other posts. It was quite easy to see what performance parts yield the best bang for the buck. After a couple weeks of that, I began to understand the rotary better.
I was dismayed that he did not show ANY effort. And I can be clown.

Rotor Nut

You right he should of searched, like it says pretty much everywhere in this forum. He deserved those posts and hopefully he learned from it and saved everyones elses time.

aussiesmg

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Scott, you are one of the easier and most knowledgeable people I have had the pleasure of talking to with regard to 1st gen RX7s on the RX7club.

This guy doesn't have a clue about the forum, you or his car, he gets bent out of shape because he asked a question which was vague and he didn't like the vague responses, go figure.

His opening paragraph discusses appearance mods then a very vague reference to more power retaining the carb. This is what he wants an answer to?

Trochoid rocks.....DoubleJ needs to relax and get a sense of humor, hell it is the Internet.

southernrunner

I know when I first joined that damn search thing wasn't working. I just read a **** load of threads and post and pretty much got the idea from them. Now, I forget that helpfull little tool bar is even up there until someone reminds me of it. I still say he should relize, yea he is new to the forum, but we are going to spell every little thing out. we can send him videos and sites to help him, we can type a whole book on how a rotary works, that's wasting our time. I am not trying to be a hard as, but I learned the hard way, he has it easy. USE THE SEARCH BUTTON!!!! at least now that it is working.

chedda_j

Hey trochoid are you on RPR?

trochoid

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Rpr?

chedda_j

RPR as is Red Pepper Racing. Sorry i thought you owned a first gen crx and was a member.

paulied3

Guy is too sensative and it seems like things are handed to him. While I dont like
holding anyone's hand as I do it in my career this site is flooded w/info that is
very helpful. Very few people have umpteen thousand hours to spend on the internet. Lets all lighten up a little shall we

Rx7carl

Ugh you guys frighten the noobs. Damn at least make them feel at home before you rag on them. As you all can see, he took your responses the wrong way. Yes his skin is a little thin, and he didnt realize it was all in fun. Hopefully he'll come back and stick around.

PaulFitzwarryne

Trochiod- The original question was serious bur received rubbish responses, it is childish to answer a question on how to improve a gen 1 with the suggestion he buys racing stickers. In comparison, your response was a little more informative.

RX-Carl- I fully agree with your view, we should treat newbies with a little more respect. Even after 5 years on the forum I get lost with some of the 'humour'.

There is a mega amount of information on past threads, but often it is in undigestable chunks. Perhaps we need a set of simple stickies written by experts such as yourself, for example a list of options to the standard first question; I have just bought a gen 1, how do I get better performance out of it?

Perhaps there should be a a forum rule, we must be nice to anyone with less than five posts. A forum on sailing I visit has a 'newbie question area' where simple repetitive questions are politely answered, often with guidance as where specifically to search.

We need to encourage newbies even if they are thin skinned, but I think Trochoid coped the blame for the standard early responses and his latter responses were fair.

rotor vs. piston

Lets just admit it... some of us are dicks to newbs. It usually depend on what kinda day we had or what the question is. So if you are a dick to a newb and the newb calls you a dick... you may be a dick.

Rotor13B

They (RX-7Club) need to do what i've seen on other forums as far as noobs are concerned. Basicly they have a "corral" that they keeps noobs in until they have a certain amount of posts. It encourages searching because the rest of the forum is otherwise off limits.

hanman

I don't understand why everybody is so harsh on this site. Everytime someone new comes on the site with one of the age old questions, everybody flames the crap out of them. Does anybody here think there are very many really "new" questions? They are just a rehash of every question that has come before.
And the bottom line is: if you are tired of answering the same old questions, i.e. "what exhaust should I buy for my car?", then just don't post an answer. The infamous "GO SEARCH" is just as insulting and infuriating to me as the original question is to you. How hard is it to NOT post an answer?
And as far as noobs go, look at my post count. Not too many. But I would venture a guess that I have owned an RX7 at least as long as anyone on this post. 26 years now. Does that make me a noob or ?

One of the things I love about my favorite site www.mazspeed.com , is they don't flame people. It is a very civil site that answers questions kindly and with respect.

wisconsinrx7

Yep thin skinned. I was new here about a year ago. I did own a rx-7 in the late 80's and early 90's. Last year I got the bug and found my current one. Came here and received a ton of help. Was reminded a few times to search but more often I asked very detailed questions and received great info.

I really dislike ricers. We have a ricer shop here and last year I noticed a couple of rx-7 guys around the place so I stopped to just bs. I'm older (39) and most of these guys are early to mid 20's. I was out right ignored even by who I think is the owner. So **** on them.

When I was in my teens and 20's up there were alot of older car guys. My first car was a 74 charger. I used to talk with these 30-50 year olds and learned alot from them.

These ricers are just a different bunch.

wisconsinrx7

just went back and read the original thread. LOL.

hanman

The difference is not the ricer group, but your age. When you were young the older guys were civil to you and helped teach you. I would venture to say that is still true today. It is more about age than what you like on your car.
I think you make a very good point. I have ten years on you, and I enjoy sharing the small amount of knowledge I have about these cars.

The thing I can't figure out, is why us RX7 owners think we have the market cornered on how a car should look, and what mods should be done to them. Personally, I wouldn't put clear corners on any of my cars, but if you want to go right ahead. In fact, look at the group buy thread on clear corners, hell it's like five pages long. To me that is the epitome of rice, but if it works for you, then more power to you.
If someone wants to pop a V8 in their first gen, who are we to ridicule? In my philosophy, it is at cross purposes to our cars, but if it's your gig then have fun.
Does anyone really believe that these cars are ever going to achieve the status of truly classic collector automobiles. I guess it's possible, but I doubt it. Not that I don't love my cars, I own every RX generation. And my friends and family make fun of me for it. I love the cars. But, every body to their own.
Just my opinion.

Lee Lyons

its probably a girl...thats why their taking it so personally...sorry ladies...lol...jk....maybe?