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Old 01-06-05, 01:04 AM
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I Need Some Moral Help!!!!

I know this isn't tech but I figured you guys can help...

I sold a USED carb to a guy in California, not thinking that he has the "california" spec carb for emmisions. He got the carb in the mail it was beat to "SH$T" by the post office... And was rightfully upset, You guys may remember the carb it was the one I posted in the "clean carb dirty kitchen" thread. It was beautiful. Well he complains he wants to return it to me because it is not CA equipt.... We I kinda feel like I shouldn't lose out on the carb (because it's beat to shizzle) or the money from it... ($68 for a low miliage good running carb shipped)

I told him to take it to the post office in the packaging and file a damage claim but he seems unwilling.. I want to keep my reputation as a good seller but feel I have done everything right and feel as though I should not refund his money...well at least not in whole.. I feel bad for his mistake on buying a carb without the california emmisions stuff but it was "his mistake" not mine... The fact that the carb is beat up is what refrains me from telling him SURE send it back I'll refund your money....

WHAT SHOULD I DO?
Old 01-06-05, 01:08 AM
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here is a picture prior to shipping..
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Old 01-06-05, 01:18 AM
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Have him post give you a picture of the carb that's "Beat to ****."

I myself smell someone trying to get out of their own, um, let's say "FORGETFULNESS" on asking wether it's CA prepped or not. Actually, what's the difference between a CA carb and others? I never knew there WAS a difference?

It's just fishy that he doesn't want to file a damage claim if you ask me.
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Well, to me I think it would have been his responsibility to determine what he needed before ordering (CA equip). He should know that since you are across the country, that it is unlikely that it would be a CA carb. He probably didn't even think about the whole CA emissions being different, but it is not your fault unless you specifically told him it was a CA emissions carb when in fact it wasn't. I think that the price that you gave him was good, and if he can't use it and doesn't want to deal with the postal service, then maybe he can just sell it to someone else to recoupe of of the money lost.

I would tell him that if he doesn't want to deal with the post office and doesn't want to resell it, that he could send it back to you at his expense and maybe you could give him a refund of say 75%.

I think that sounds fair and that gives him a few options to go with. I don't see how those options could effect you reputation as a seller. Either way, it is partially his fault and partially the postal services fault and I don't see any fault on you part. The fact that you are willing to work with this guy indicates that you are a good seller. There are a lot of guys that wouldn't even bother.

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Old 01-06-05, 01:28 AM
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hrm, lets see here, if he gets money from you then he can STILL file a damage claim and get money out of the post office... sounds kinda fishy to me.
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Agreed. Since there isn't some kind of "rep-meter" (unless you sold it on Ebay, of course) I beleive your rep is safe with us, no matter how HE decides to settle this. Like Addict said, there is no part of this that is your fault, so give him his options, and let him decide.

I wish you would have been around when MY car needed a new carb. I almost paid TWICE that much, lol.
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I've been rebuilding carbs for some fellow forum members.. And had no problems or anything... I feel like he may just not know about the CA being different and needs a "REASON" to return it, which would be ok, if it wasn't all trashed... I feel that he should file a claim get his money back that way and I'll buy the "core" back from him for $20 or so... I hope he deals with this well.. I guess I just needed some reasurance...
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Its all good man. If the **** hits the fan I will back you up. I still want that fan btw. GO GET IT, I HAVE MONEYS!!!
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You have done nothing wrong, he did not specify that he wanted a CA carb, and did you follow the mail truck with a baseball bat and beat the **** out of the package?....no

not your problem dude, tough luck i guess.

if you have 99 percent of the forum backing you on this, who cares if he trys to talk **** about you

thats my .02
Old 01-06-05, 06:56 AM
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I agree he shoulda asked if it was a CA carb before buying it and the post office should pay HIM for the damage to the carb.
that would be like my wife who is allergic to nuts ordering food without asking if it contains nuts then trying to sue the restraunt for not telling her the food she ordered had them and her not asking.

and BTW if it was sold on ebay or even on here the buyer has the ability to ask questions like that BEFORE buying.

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Old 01-06-05, 07:10 AM
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Something's fishy on the buyer's part because of his reluctance to get reimbursed by the postal service. Personally, if ordered the wrong part and was lucky enough to have it get smashed in transit, the first thing I would do is get my money from the post office and go purchase the correct part. This guy got lucky by having his incorrect part get damaged in shipment. Yet for some reason he doesn't want to get reimbursed so he can purchase the correct part elsewhere at no extra cost to him? If you ask me he's trying to pull something slick to get his money back and then blaming it on the mailman. The logic that he is following just doesn't make any sense to me....
Old 01-06-05, 08:22 AM
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Lets get the obvious out of the way. How well did you pack it? And what proof do you have that its damaged/fubar'd? It is on him to file a damage claim since he was the recipient. I'm assuming you didnt insure it.
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I go along with every one else. He is the one who needs a Cali carb. He initiated the purchase I am sure. Not your problem to make sure he is ordering a legal carb. If he will not make a claim, it is his problem. If the carb showed up perfect you would not be required to take it back because of his mix up. He can get his money back by making a claim. IMOP you are done with the transaction.

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What ARE the differences between the cali carb and the non-cali carb? I didnt know that there were any. I thought it was the perephrial devices (rats nest, etc) that was different. I know there were a couple different carbs on the cars, maybe he thinks it wont work simply because its one from an earlier or later model? I know the carb changed in 84 from 83 for a fact, one of em doesnt have some of the electrical plugs and shiat on the passenger side of it, but it still works fine without them plugged in, lol.

~T.J.

PS - As I look at that picture, it looks as if thats the one without the "extra" connectors Im talking about, maybe thats his deal?

EDIT: Fawk, I forgot to say that I dont think you did anything wrong also.
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Darn I hate Morality decisions.
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I packed it well, (have never had issues before). The carb I sent him was off a 1985 gs, he knew this before he purchased it. The post office offers insurance for items up to $100 and this falls in that category. I emailed him several options hopefully all will end painlessly.
Old 01-06-05, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob Holton
Darn I hate Morality decisions.
Yeah, My 17 Year old neighbor, has the finest little @$$ on her...

Uh,

Nevermind.
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Originally Posted by Directfreak
Yeah, My 17 Year old neighbor, has the finest little @$$ on her...

Uh,

Nevermind.
Lol...wait a year...lol.
Old 01-06-05, 09:34 AM
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BTW if the postoffice will cover it up to $100 then he's better off getting them to cover it and he'll actually make money on it to help get that cali carb he's dreaming of.
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There are two issues here. One is the alleged damage. That ought to be handled by filing a damage claim with the shipper. It doesn't do any good to mix that up with buying the wrong carb.

I think it's your call on whether you accept a return on a carb you sell, damaged or not. Unless you've led someone to believe you have a return policy, I don't think you're obligated to make a refund on the purchase. You're not running a retail store.
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Originally Posted by RRTEC
here is a picture prior to shipping..
wait a minute...isn't that a pic of the carb you're supposed to be selling for $120?

or do you have a few of these?
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That is the one that is sold...... I have several carbs, I am not selling used carbs anymore I rebuild them and sell them. That one was not in need of a rebuild.

All the carbs I rebuild end up that clean.... So yes the one in the add is the one he bought but he bought it for $68 not $120....

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