How are our cars compared to those cars, when they are all stock?

And... How to hang with them, when, they have minor mods...

91 240sx (S13) with exhaust and header, cold air intake and suspsnsion.

89 FC with cold air intake and straight pipe...

95 240sx (S14)...

96 Eclipse....

91 Celica (GTS?)....

with similar stuff...

I am sure my car isn't tuned right and it is barely surviving with it stock setup, but after owning a MKIII and driving all those cars, I felt my car is awfully slow...

Xiaonan

 

Headers/full exhaust, carb, e-fan, suspension, TIRES TIRES TIRES and you'll keep up to all of em.

Zac

 

the eclipse isnt anything special less its the gt, im pretty sure there 4 cylinder non turbo motors are close to the ones used in the neons but ive been known to be wrong.

for the rest just what nekky said. get ride of the sound deadining too .
-Rob

 

lol take out your spare

 

Ive beat my friends 91 240 with exhuast. And kept up with my other friends 96 eclipes. But they were both automatics. And my car is stock minus suspension, coils and K&N air filter.

 

You can keep up with all of them with exhaust and mechnical secondaries and some lightening. I did with my old 12a, and I would destroy the 240sx. I own one, and my old 12a would beat it. The only one that will be tough will be the FC of course. ANd yes the eclipse and neon nonturbo have the same motor.

 

What the others have said plus change to a better fuel pump and put in a fuel pressure regulator when you do so. Do some weight loss stuff like change electric windows to manual windows, remove the tar that is underneath the carpet, remove the insulation that is underneath the carpet (also in the storage bins too) since it just holds water, remove A/C if you're not using it (removed all of it except for the core under the dash), if you don't have to deal with smog testing, remove the rats nest and air pump and if you don't need tunes, remove the radio and speakers. Oh and you can safely remove the cruise control stuff, cold start stuff (plug the whole in the carb), and hot start assist stuff.

I easily beat my Neon that has a CAI and DOHC muffler of course it is an automatic and only an SOHC but I'm pretty sure I'd kill an DOHC model too. The Eclipse is the same motor with the intake and exhaust mani's swapped positions so the Eclipse is just a heavier Neon

 

I guess your comparing non turbo cars right? The Eclipse I have will run with bolt on LS1's. (from a 40....damn FWD)

Well see what the 12a in my 83 does against my friends b20 LS/Vtech in a hatch. As soon as I mod it.

 

The 95 240sx will be an easy kill. Same with the 91 celica and eclipse with some basic do it yourself mods like rats nest removal. The 91 240sx and FC are another story though. With a RB or custom exhaust, you could probably beat the 91 240, but the FC is not reachable without some extensive mods. Probably a Weber or holley carb, custom 2.5" exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, a header, e-fan, rats nest removed, and a few other little things like sound deadening removal and A/C removal should let you hang with the FC. I bet the FC is pushin 180hp. You need to do I think about 150 with lighter car to keep up with him.

I'll do a few tests. I have a program that does simulations. I can do both the FC and your car. Not extremly accurate, but pretty damn close. I'll let you know.

 

Well, that didn't go as expected. If my simulations are at least accurate (should be), you still can't keep up with the FC without porting the 12A engine. Thats assuming you have a 12A of course. I figured the FC has 180hp. With the mods I listed done to a 12A powered car, it should be in the region of 150hp. Even if you were able to shave about 100 lbs off, you would still be a few tenths of a second slower in the quarter than the FC. The FC runs probably around a 15.3-15.5 sec quarter, while the FB would go about 2 tenths slower. If you could manage to fit some 235/50 13's under the rear of the car, you could probably get enough grip to launch better than the FC and beat it, but that isn't possible.

My conclusion, the FC is unreachable without some VERY extensive mods like a turbo or porting.

 

Surprisingly, among all of those cars, the 91 240sx runs the fastest, just with a header + exhaust, we have 2 91 240 here and one 95 240 as well in the garage. It is a shame that the FC runs the slowest (having a newly rebuild engine), even the eclipse, before its CPU is fried, can beat him.

We do not have emission check in MN, so all the extra vacume hose will be gone next month, and I will get my exhaust done, remove cat, and eventially get the Stirling carb.

BTW, all cars are NA.

 

85rotarypower

A program to simulate? Sounds cool! Is that a GUI type product with all database of most cars or a program just crunch numbers with given parameters?

 

Basically, its just a freeware DOS based program with a database of about 930 cars. Its called Car Test. They have a new windows based program, but its not free, so I don't use it. It uses literally hundreds of parameters to run the car by. Everything from shift time, to ambient air temperature, to the amount of pressure in the tires. It even finds out how much a tire expands in diameter as the car goes faster, affecting the top speed. This program actually simulates the car accelerating in REAL TIME. It even has the option for the driver to shift.

But its interesting that the FC is the slowest. If that is the case, no FB would be able to keep up with any of those cars without either a turbo, supercharger, streetport, or NOS (a little ricey, but it gets the job done).

 

As for the 91 FC being slow, it's probably something as simple as the 6 port rods being siezed up. Every lower FC intake manifold I've had (I have 4 of em) had those rods frozen up.

Its possible the VDI could be frozen as well. These things were probably not addressed during the engine rebuild.

 

Thats very possible. I didn't think of that, but I don't think it would make that much of a difference. I guess if it were making 140hp instead of 180 like I guess, then the FB would kill it, but as it stands, the FB doesn't have a chance.

I guess I could be wrong with EVERYTHING I have said thus far, and therefore I would be a total ***. But I have trust in what I said. I have seen enough that I am fairly confident in what I say.

 

Oh trust me, when those 6 ports are stuck closed, the car falls flat on its face shortly after 4K.

 

Big Time!

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I dunno, but my OLD SE, with just headers and exhaust, used to OWN all those cars you listed, by alot!!!

When I had it street-ported later, - it would even own Stock TII's.

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Now, my new one, owns all

 

hehe... thanks, I am really excited about my FB now

 

BTW, I have access to a Webber 48 ID... (?) for $100 without intake maniford and air cleaner, should I grab it then?

 

for 100 bucks? I'd grab it, however I'm pretty sure that carb is too big for a stock port 12a. I think most people are at least running a 12a street port when using the carb on a 12a.

 

I never raced an FB with my '87 Celica GTS,but my GTS was a very quick car,I would say as fast or faster than an FB.

However,I am having the best of both worlds by putting a rotary into my Celica as we speak.

 

Just to let you know an S4 T2 only made 189 hp, the N/A's were only 140 range. A 12A could do 130hp+ with some simple mods and of course is alot lighter then a FC.

 

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my gsl-se spanks all in ur list. believe it or not i beat a turbo charged s2000. it was probably tuned wrong. it probably made it go slower than stock. lol... waisted money... dumb ricers... well, its one of my best race stories but dont feel like postin it up rite now. im at work - -;

i had a 91 240sx. it ran low 17s bone stock wit shitty tires at palmdale. (it was very hot)

 

>> 91 240sx (S13) with exhaust and header, cold air intake and suspsnsion. <<

less power, lighter. i would suspect they'd hang pretty close.

>> 89 FC with cold air intake and straight pipe... <<

the fc has a 60hp advantage from the factory over a non-se fb... expect to be slower. the live axle makes the fb more fun tho if you know what i mean the fc is more of a touring car than a sports car in the classic sense.

>> 95 240sx (S14)... <<

like the fc, it's a different class of car. heavier, more creature comforts.

>> 96 Eclipse.... <<

are we assuming the eclipse runs? *ZING!*

>> 91 Celica (GTS?).... <<

fwd econo. may be more powerful, but i'll be damned if it's any more fun.