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Old 12-19-02, 02:17 PM
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how do you identify 1st and 2nd generation

i'm not sure of the age of an imported car ,what are the physical differences to look for
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Oh.... it's easy. The 2nd gen is butt ugly. Some would even say it's fugly.
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2nd gens came in models such as the GTU, GXL and Sport. 1st gens typically came in either S, GS, GSL or SE trim.
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Originally posted by 85RX7GS
2nd gens came in models such as the GTU, GXL and Sport. 1st gens typically came in either S, GS, GSL or SE trim.
First Gens
S
GS
GSL
GSLSE

1 anniversary
Limited Edition

Second gen
SE
GXL
TII
GTU
GTUs
10AE

I know he said "imported'

You want to stop guessing check the vins

BUT if it is a Jspec or from another counrty it can be diffrent.



Model Year VIN Ser Numbers
1979 SA22C - 500001 +
1980 SA22C - 600001 +
1981 FB33 - 500001 + (USA)
1982 FB33 - 600001 +
1983 FB33 - 700001 +
1984 FB33 - 800001 +
1985 FB33 - 856209 +


____ VDS (Vehicle Description Section)
|
____V____
J M 1 F B 3 3 1 4 B O 5 1 2 3 4 5
----- --- --- - - - - -----------
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Production Serial Number
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | |__ Assembly Plant Code (O = Hiroshima)
| | | | | |
| | | | | |__ Model Year Code (B= 1981, C = 1982, D = 1983...)
| | | | |
| | | | |__ Check Digit *
| | | |
| | | |__ Miscellaneous Identification Code **
| | |
| | |__ Body Style Code
| |
| |__ Car Line Code (FB = RX-7 Series)
|
|__ World Manufacturer Identifier (All Mazda Passenger Cars are
identified by JM1.)


If you see
SA
FB
thats a first gen

If you see
FC
thats a second gen


FD
third gen

If you dont see any of them,well yor screwed.
Look at the vin tag on the dash ot firewall behind the carb.
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1st gens look sorta like this:



2nd gens look sorta like this:

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See what I mean? It takes some "leg" to make the 2nd gen look decent.
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Originally posted by inittab
See what I mean? It takes some "leg" to make the 2nd gen look decent.
LOL!


Here are some more to help you see the difference between 1st and 2nd gen.


1st gens.




2nd gens.




I hope that helps.

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Who coined the term second generation?

Was it Mazda or the Media?
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It is the second generation in the rx-7 family.
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That would do it!
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generations are cited for pretty much every make and model. over in the Daytona forum they talk about 1st and 2nd generation Turbo Z Daytonas, etc.
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I hadn't really heard the terms 1st gen, 2nd gen and 3rd gen until I visited this US based forum. In Oz all everyone says is - Series 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8.
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well... I personally think that the second gen looks like alot of other 80's cars... LIKE A BOX!

The first gen has curves....
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what it comes down to is the 1st gen has relatively timeless lines, whereas the 2nd gen was too trendy and ended up looking dated.

I've a book on the development of 1st and 2nd gen styling. The 1st gen came close to being an ugly little bug-eyed Sprite wannabe, and the 2nd gen came close to being better looking than it ended up.

Can't fault the 3rd gen though. That's just a pretty body, nad I suspect it'll age as well as the lines of the 1st gen have
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Generations apply to pretty much every car company... my Hon-Duh prelude (1981, so not really part of the ricer crowd) is a "First Generation" which is 79-82, then it goes up from there, all the way up to a 5th generation which is the last models they made (99-01) I believe....

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some people say 2nd gens look like 944's?? im sorry i dont see it!?
lol

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haha..someone said my first gen looked like a Porche...and I was like...neh?...my car is all stock. hahaha

I guess if anything...1st gens look more like a porsche than a first gen....IMO.
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Originally posted by error402

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That one is way cool.
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S2-13BT, from oz would do it.

main body shaope/style changes usually define different gens. S1/2/3 all have the same basic bodyshell and suspension setup, then major revision to S4/5, then again S6/7/8 are completely different also.

1st, 2nd, 3rd evolutuons of the shape if you will.
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manntis always with the visual description..

i love u bro..


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Originally posted by Rota_Motor
S2-13BT, from oz would do it.

main body shaope/style changes usually define different gens. S1/2/3 all have the same basic bodyshell and suspension setup, then major revision to S4/5, then again S6/7/8 are completely different also.

1st, 2nd, 3rd evolutuons of the shape if you will.
Yeah, it makes so much sense, I use it all the time now.
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Th second gens DO look like a 944,I remeber hearing a story that Mazda (did) or (almost) got into some trouble cause of the design,

The phone dial rims,Just like a 944
Big rear glass hatch,Just like a 944
The body shape is really similar,
I think even the front seats are about the same shape high back narrowed headrest bucket seats.
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Originally posted by SoRRoW
Th second gens DO look like a 944,I remeber hearing a story that Mazda (did) or (almost) got into some trouble cause of the design,

The phone dial rims,Just like a 944
Big rear glass hatch,Just like a 944
The body shape is really similar,
I think even the front seats are about the same shape high back narrowed headrest bucket seats.
I've read a book on the 2nd gen and it's true: Mazda had been attempting to create something similar to the 944. Personally, I think the 2nd gen looks more like a Daytona or older Probe than a 944.
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http://sevendrift.gotdns.com/flash/porsche.html
a little animation comparing porsche 944 and 2nd gen rx-7
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Too bad they are both butt ugly. But i guess that was the boxy style at the time.

No one asks me if my fb is a 944. they always ask if its a 280. heheeh good thing i like datsuns too.



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