how to clean parts with PICS
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how to clean parts with PICS
sorry for the bad gramer and spelling on to the SHOW.....
ok so this is how it goes you got some dirty rusty carbon rotors or anything for that mater you want clean... i do not think this should be done on housings or anything aluminum or plated
electrolysis is where its at are we are not talking about hair removeal!!!
things you need
5 gal bucket
battry charger
battry
electrode (i used aluminum fule line had it layin around) any metal not like the part you are cleaing is fine
water
backing soda
table salt
and its safe woot........ just no smoking
thats it on to some pics
here is a rotor i thought to be good for nothing...lots-o-rust side/apex/corner seals super stuck will not come out and so forth
now thats a good rotor
ok same rotor 1hr later.. i did not scrub rub scrap sand nothing to this just set in in the bucket for and hr...the only think i did was rinse it off in the kitchen sink and dry it off with a paper towel that you can see
so i dumped the bucket and put new water baking soda and salt let it sit for 1 more hr and this is it 2 hrs no scrubing or anything just a rinse in the sink some stuff fell off just by touncing it and rinsing it
re did the water baking soda salt and put it out for the rest of the night about 8hrs it will sit i will take pics of it tomorrow and post and we will see how it looks then
pics of the rig
this was after the 1st run i cleand the electrode b4 i did the 2nd run
here are 2 links i read about it you may want to read them b4 you try it.. hope this may help some of you good luck
http://users.eastlink.ca/~pspencer/n...ctrolysis.html
http://antique-engines.dickerson-des...m/electrol.asp
cheers PaTricK
ok so this is how it goes you got some dirty rusty carbon rotors or anything for that mater you want clean... i do not think this should be done on housings or anything aluminum or plated
electrolysis is where its at are we are not talking about hair removeal!!!
things you need
5 gal bucket
battry charger
battry
electrode (i used aluminum fule line had it layin around) any metal not like the part you are cleaing is fine
water
backing soda
table salt
and its safe woot........ just no smoking
thats it on to some pics
here is a rotor i thought to be good for nothing...lots-o-rust side/apex/corner seals super stuck will not come out and so forth
now thats a good rotor
ok same rotor 1hr later.. i did not scrub rub scrap sand nothing to this just set in in the bucket for and hr...the only think i did was rinse it off in the kitchen sink and dry it off with a paper towel that you can see
so i dumped the bucket and put new water baking soda and salt let it sit for 1 more hr and this is it 2 hrs no scrubing or anything just a rinse in the sink some stuff fell off just by touncing it and rinsing it
re did the water baking soda salt and put it out for the rest of the night about 8hrs it will sit i will take pics of it tomorrow and post and we will see how it looks then
pics of the rig
this was after the 1st run i cleand the electrode b4 i did the 2nd run
here are 2 links i read about it you may want to read them b4 you try it.. hope this may help some of you good luck
http://users.eastlink.ca/~pspencer/n...ctrolysis.html
http://antique-engines.dickerson-des...m/electrol.asp
cheers PaTricK
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ok here is the rotor let it sit over night 11 more hrs so all together 13hrs no scrubing no hot tank.. just stuff i had around the house... now i know alot of you will be like a wire wheel would have been much faster and cleaned it better...but i just went and got the worst rotor i had laying around (came out of a bare motor that was under water for a lil over a month) and i wanted to see how well it would work... and well it works gr8 if it would have been a good rotor and left in there thta long im sure it would have come out new.. all the places your wire wheel cant get it it would get.. then you could still go over it with a wire wheel if you wanted to... its just another way to clean some parts if you dont have a hot tank or dont want to spend the money on it... on to the pics
ok this is after 13hrs no scrubing at all just rinsed with clean water oh and the apex seals came out also (the rotor is still no good any1 need a paper weight)
note all the dark spots are where the bad rust was at and got ate away.. it left small dips and holes... this only happend caz of the BAD rust a good rotor this would not happen to
i used 1/4 cup of baking soda for 2.5 gal of water as for the salt im not sure i just poored it in its ez to do and if you dont have time to spend sanding wire wheeling or grinding then this is the best for you or if you just hate doing thos 3 things.. this can be done when you are off at work or watching tv
it cleans rust oil paint anything that is on the part that is not the part will get cleaned off
well hope this helped some1 out
cheers PaTricK
ok this is after 13hrs no scrubing at all just rinsed with clean water oh and the apex seals came out also (the rotor is still no good any1 need a paper weight)
note all the dark spots are where the bad rust was at and got ate away.. it left small dips and holes... this only happend caz of the BAD rust a good rotor this would not happen to
i used 1/4 cup of baking soda for 2.5 gal of water as for the salt im not sure i just poored it in its ez to do and if you dont have time to spend sanding wire wheeling or grinding then this is the best for you or if you just hate doing thos 3 things.. this can be done when you are off at work or watching tv
it cleans rust oil paint anything that is on the part that is not the part will get cleaned off
well hope this helped some1 out
cheers PaTricK
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Imaging stripping everything off your car, so just the body and chassis was left, and you made the same contraption you did, except 100 times bigger, like in a swimming pool, and just dunked the body in it....
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Awesome.
I was just turned on to another cleaning miracle -- the dishwasher. I put my old rotor housings in there on the pots & pans cycle, and it did a pretty good job. The nice thing is that the heat cycle dries everything, too.
An old mechanic told me about it. Hope the wife doesn't read this.
I was just turned on to another cleaning miracle -- the dishwasher. I put my old rotor housings in there on the pots & pans cycle, and it did a pretty good job. The nice thing is that the heat cycle dries everything, too.
An old mechanic told me about it. Hope the wife doesn't read this.
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hahaha thats great about the dishwasher! but yeah people have cleaned parts like this for a long time i learned about it in elementary school when i was looking for somthing to do a science report on.
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cleaning parts
Even though I know you stole my thread on this whole topic good pics and information. This really is the lazyman's way of cleaning parts. I do it all the time, cuz like you say real life things such as girlfriends, tv, sports, and work interfere with the hobby so this is a great way to clean parts while your doing something else. Wiring brushing is for people with too much time on there hands. lol
Once again... great work!
Once again... great work!
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Just remember not to put rotors in there unless you plan to replace the bearings.
And we all know Mazda recommends using used bearings if possible.
Just remember no aluminum parts! Only steel.
And we all know Mazda recommends using used bearings if possible.
Just remember no aluminum parts! Only steel.
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It is recommended to use washing soda made by arm and hammer.
( this is not baking soda , also no need for salt )
For the electrode use a peice of rebar.
12v DC and 1 - 2 amps is all you need.
Apparently it only works line of site.
The rebar gets consumed.
Kind of like what a very needy woman can do to you if your not careful!!!!
getting back,,,, hydrogen embrittlement is a problem!!!!!
do a search on google ect. for electrolytic rust removal.
( this is not baking soda , also no need for salt )
For the electrode use a peice of rebar.
12v DC and 1 - 2 amps is all you need.
Apparently it only works line of site.
The rebar gets consumed.
Kind of like what a very needy woman can do to you if your not careful!!!!
getting back,,,, hydrogen embrittlement is a problem!!!!!
do a search on google ect. for electrolytic rust removal.
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Materials Required - In addition to the part you are trying to clean, you need:
» A non-electrically conductive container large enough to hold the parts you want to clean, (i.e. a plastic bucket ? or for large engine parts perhaps an old (fibreglass) bathtub ???). There are other containers like a 45 gallon (about 200 litre) plastic drum that are used for soap and other materials sold in bulk. They are sometimes available cheap or free at recycling centres. An entire single cylinder engine could be put in one of these.
You could use a steel bucket, sink, pot etc. connected to the POSTIVE post as long as you are careful not to let the part being cleaned touch the side of the bucket (short circuit will occur).
» A 12 volt battery or other DC power source with high current capability. A battery (in conjunction with a charger)will always give superior results. A trickle ( 4 to 12 amps) battery charger can be used for small parts. A shop grade "booster" battery charger is quite effective for even large parts. 6 volt DC works as long as the current ability is high. Higher voltage DC sources will work of course BUT then it becomes a shock hazard. (see safety rules below).
» Electrodes to connect to the positive battery terminal. Iron, steel, or any metal can be used. Aluminum used as the positive electrode deteriorates quickly. Iron (and maybe brass) would last longer but requires regular cleaning. The electrode can be wire, bolts, fasteners, screening, sheet metal or thick plate.
** NEW INFO ** Stainless steel WAS previously recommended because the material I was using seemed to last longer and cleaned easier. BUT, as the electrode breaks down,the chromium in stainless steel becomes a compound (hexavalent chromium) which ends up in the liquid and there is the potential for the mist from the bath to become airborn and inhaled. LONG TERM exposure to the skin has been related to skin disorders and LONG TERM inhalation of fumes has been linked to lung cancer. In addition, the chromium in the electrolyte could be considered environmentally harmful so dumping in the ground would not be a responsible thing to do. Instead, allow the liquid to evapourate and dispose of the remaining debris as you would a hazardous waste.
Due to these problems, I can no longer recommend stainless steel to be used at all, especially in this very public forum.
» Water to mix with the electrolyte. Distilled water is not necessary but wouldn't hurt.
» The electrolyte (see above for more information). I used Arm and Hammer WASHING SODA -a common laundry detergent. I have also recently had success with Arm and Hammer Ultra Laundry Detergent. Main advantages here are; easy on your skin, NOT corrosive to the part being cleaned if you happen to leave the part in the solution, no worse than typical soap if it gets in your eyes, AND it leaves a nice soapy smell in the room. Also, the soap effectively gets rid of the putrid smell of old gasoline and oil. (great for cleaning out old gas tanks). Other soaps and detergents work fairly well and I'll leave that for you to experiment with.
Other electrolytes I have tried . Take note of the cautions mentioned
Baking Soda - Sodium Bicarbonite. It works but has much the same properties as salt in that it is mildly corrosive once electricity is applied. I have used it only only for brief tests. It is probably better to use it in place of washing soda than the others which follow.
Table salt- it is corrosive to metal in it own right. It also leaves a punjent chlorine smell behind. (It is sodium chloride). Very bad for aluminum.
Sea salt- it is corrosive to metal in it own right. But it is not the same as table salt. It actually contains many different types of dissolved minerals and salts. Some users have reported success with this. Very bad for aluminum.
Vinegar & acetic acid- Is a mild acid and has been reported to work but the smell it makes is undesirable.
Trisodium Phosphate (TSD) - Found in cleaners for heavy-duty use such as household wall and exterior cleaners, driveway cleaner etc. It is more caustic than soap (harmful to the skin and eyes) so extra caution should be used. The warning on the container says"CAUTION: Contains Trisodium Phosphate. Wear rubber gloves and eye protection. Avoid eye contact or prolonged contact with skin. Wash thoroughly after handling. If eye contact occurs, flush with water for 15 minutes. Consult physician immediately."
These work but are NOT RECOMENDED:
LYE - Sodium Hydroxide - Corrosive to metal in it's own right. Causes much more gasification of the water (LOTS of hydrogen and oxygen gas). Very hard on your skin and even worse CAN CAUSE BLINDNESS if splashed in your eyes. Very bad for aluminum , white metals (zinc alloys) or thinly electroplated materials.
Battery acid (sulphuric, hydrochloric, nitric) - I don't need to spell out that one for you do I? Way too hazardous.
» A non-electrically conductive container large enough to hold the parts you want to clean, (i.e. a plastic bucket ? or for large engine parts perhaps an old (fibreglass) bathtub ???). There are other containers like a 45 gallon (about 200 litre) plastic drum that are used for soap and other materials sold in bulk. They are sometimes available cheap or free at recycling centres. An entire single cylinder engine could be put in one of these.
You could use a steel bucket, sink, pot etc. connected to the POSTIVE post as long as you are careful not to let the part being cleaned touch the side of the bucket (short circuit will occur).
» A 12 volt battery or other DC power source with high current capability. A battery (in conjunction with a charger)will always give superior results. A trickle ( 4 to 12 amps) battery charger can be used for small parts. A shop grade "booster" battery charger is quite effective for even large parts. 6 volt DC works as long as the current ability is high. Higher voltage DC sources will work of course BUT then it becomes a shock hazard. (see safety rules below).
» Electrodes to connect to the positive battery terminal. Iron, steel, or any metal can be used. Aluminum used as the positive electrode deteriorates quickly. Iron (and maybe brass) would last longer but requires regular cleaning. The electrode can be wire, bolts, fasteners, screening, sheet metal or thick plate.
** NEW INFO ** Stainless steel WAS previously recommended because the material I was using seemed to last longer and cleaned easier. BUT, as the electrode breaks down,the chromium in stainless steel becomes a compound (hexavalent chromium) which ends up in the liquid and there is the potential for the mist from the bath to become airborn and inhaled. LONG TERM exposure to the skin has been related to skin disorders and LONG TERM inhalation of fumes has been linked to lung cancer. In addition, the chromium in the electrolyte could be considered environmentally harmful so dumping in the ground would not be a responsible thing to do. Instead, allow the liquid to evapourate and dispose of the remaining debris as you would a hazardous waste.
Due to these problems, I can no longer recommend stainless steel to be used at all, especially in this very public forum.
» Water to mix with the electrolyte. Distilled water is not necessary but wouldn't hurt.
» The electrolyte (see above for more information). I used Arm and Hammer WASHING SODA -a common laundry detergent. I have also recently had success with Arm and Hammer Ultra Laundry Detergent. Main advantages here are; easy on your skin, NOT corrosive to the part being cleaned if you happen to leave the part in the solution, no worse than typical soap if it gets in your eyes, AND it leaves a nice soapy smell in the room. Also, the soap effectively gets rid of the putrid smell of old gasoline and oil. (great for cleaning out old gas tanks). Other soaps and detergents work fairly well and I'll leave that for you to experiment with.
Other electrolytes I have tried . Take note of the cautions mentioned
Baking Soda - Sodium Bicarbonite. It works but has much the same properties as salt in that it is mildly corrosive once electricity is applied. I have used it only only for brief tests. It is probably better to use it in place of washing soda than the others which follow.
Table salt- it is corrosive to metal in it own right. It also leaves a punjent chlorine smell behind. (It is sodium chloride). Very bad for aluminum.
Sea salt- it is corrosive to metal in it own right. But it is not the same as table salt. It actually contains many different types of dissolved minerals and salts. Some users have reported success with this. Very bad for aluminum.
Vinegar & acetic acid- Is a mild acid and has been reported to work but the smell it makes is undesirable.
Trisodium Phosphate (TSD) - Found in cleaners for heavy-duty use such as household wall and exterior cleaners, driveway cleaner etc. It is more caustic than soap (harmful to the skin and eyes) so extra caution should be used. The warning on the container says"CAUTION: Contains Trisodium Phosphate. Wear rubber gloves and eye protection. Avoid eye contact or prolonged contact with skin. Wash thoroughly after handling. If eye contact occurs, flush with water for 15 minutes. Consult physician immediately."
These work but are NOT RECOMENDED:
LYE - Sodium Hydroxide - Corrosive to metal in it's own right. Causes much more gasification of the water (LOTS of hydrogen and oxygen gas). Very hard on your skin and even worse CAN CAUSE BLINDNESS if splashed in your eyes. Very bad for aluminum , white metals (zinc alloys) or thinly electroplated materials.
Battery acid (sulphuric, hydrochloric, nitric) - I don't need to spell out that one for you do I? Way too hazardous.
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