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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 10:59 AM
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Home made exhaust manifold

Ok my exhaust manifold is almost done, the lengths are matched, an ID of about 1.9" mandrel bent piping.

Old exhaust manifold was junk, smaller ID, crush bent with only one bend per pipe so lengths were wayyyy off and way too long.

This new manifold should unleash the power of my bridgeport especially considering the center mufflers fallen to pieces which will now be removed and replaced with a megaphone.

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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 11:08 AM
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in a n/a application the collector makes a huuuge difference, this is where your header is lacking greatly. you want the collector to merge smoothly not abruptly.
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 11:25 AM
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What is wrong with the collector? i managed to get the pipes to merge with the collector smoothly at the same angle as the inlets of the collector, actually very happy with how smoothly i got them to merge compared to other collectors i have seen. You cant really see in the pic but its quite a nice smooth collector merging at about 30 degrees which is what racing beat recommends.
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 11:53 AM
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Looks pretty good. What size pipe are you collecting into? And what's the length on the primaries?

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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 11:58 AM
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I dunno why, but it looks like it would hit the firewall. I know I am 99% wrong though, I blame the hangover.
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PS: That looks nice though!
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 12:17 PM
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Primary length is about 30" its a bit long but that about as short as i could go and keep the lengths matched, bare in mind old primaries were about 50" long, collects into a 2.4" id pipe and will megaphone out to my 3" mandrel bend exhaust system.
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 01:09 PM
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thats nice work.
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 03:05 PM
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Oh I thought you ment the megaphone will be all of your exhaust...

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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 03:12 PM
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Oh I thought you ment the megaphone will be all of your exhaust...


you aint right stu.
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 03:50 PM
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Some more pics. I have also included some pics of the remains of the old header and resonator/pre-silencer. As you can see, old header was far from adequate and resonator was screwed. I'm quite proud of the header considering it cost me 30$ worth of material, and $10 on tool rental to make . Even with the crappy header and broken pre-silencer I was making 192WHP with this setup and hadn't even finished tuning. Ive made various other improvements to my intake, air filter's etc as well. so I'm eager to get it on the dyno again once ive finished up. Must scavenge around for a megaphone now and finish up exhaust system.









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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by EpitrochoidalPower!
What is wrong with the collector? i managed to get the pipes to merge with the collector smoothly at the same angle as the inlets of the collector, actually very happy with how smoothly i got them to merge compared to other collectors i have seen. You cant really see in the pic but its quite a nice smooth collector merging at about 30 degrees which is what racing beat recommends.

Ideally you want your collector to be designed similar to this on here:

http://www.spdexhaust.com/pdfs/Temp_...C%26X-pipe.pdf

The double slip on the top right in that link and is a merge design. This allows the two runners to more smoothly merge together with-in the collector. Later this week I'll post pics of my 20b merge collector that Im currently fabricating.

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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeezus
Oh I thought you ment the megaphone will be all of your exhaust...

thats hilarious!!
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Old Oct 21, 2008 | 12:38 AM
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This is my SDJ header is you want to look at how the collector merges.



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Old Oct 21, 2008 | 05:28 AM
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I see. From the looks of it, the inside of my collecter looks almost exactly the same as the inside of your SDJ header's one. The two tubes side by side with the channel down the middle. The angle is similar too so im just going to try it for now. Can always make up a new one later if im not satisfied.
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Old Oct 21, 2008 | 10:20 AM
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is this a picture looking inside your collector?



If so i would alteast take a die grinder and smooth things out in there as much as possible. also the longer the merge the better from what I've read around. If you note, they merge from the third piece from the last bit on my picture .. about 6" long or so. Also if you're going to be doing a collector, the second piece from the bottom, not sure if you noticed or not, but its actually a bit flattened where the 2 pipe connect to keep a smoother transition. I draw them up on the computer to get the correct cross area then cut the excess there, so that when I flatten out the other pipe it fits right in without any drama.

Hope this info helps

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Old Oct 21, 2008 | 10:29 AM
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Guys, how should I collect the 2 tubes on the Disassembled Road Race Header Kit from Racing Beat??

I wonder if I have to use the little square part next to the U bend tube for collecting the 2 other tubes ?

Thanks.

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Old Oct 21, 2008 | 12:08 PM
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You build the header with the square flange as the end, then you get part number: 16004 from them to finish it.
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Old Oct 21, 2008 | 12:57 PM
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No flow on the header made up there bro...you want it to merge like the header up there...
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Originally Posted by Jeezus
You build the header with the square flange as the end, then you get part number: 16004 from them to finish it.
Thanks.

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No flow on the header made up there bro...you want it to merge like the header up there...
Are you referring to me or to someone else ? :P can you explain a bit more what did you mean exactly ? Thanks.
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Old Oct 29, 2008 | 05:03 PM
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no that is a pic of his broken pre-silencer



Originally Posted by dj55b
is this a picture looking inside your collector?



If so i would alteast take a die grinder and smooth things out in there as much as possible. also the longer the merge the better from what I've read around. If you note, they merge from the third piece from the last bit on my picture .. about 6" long or so. Also if you're going to be doing a collector, the second piece from the bottom, not sure if you noticed or not, but its actually a bit flattened where the 2 pipe connect to keep a smoother transition. I draw them up on the computer to get the correct cross area then cut the excess there, so that when I flatten out the other pipe it fits right in without any drama.

Hope this info helps
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Old Oct 29, 2008 | 05:06 PM
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Are you referring to me or to someone else ? :P can you explain a bit more what did you mean exactly ? Thanks.
everything is about flow...you want smooth transitions, equal length runners, nice welds so on and so forth...there is pic posted in the thread of that sdj header on the first page...
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Old Oct 30, 2008 | 01:40 AM
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I kept my transitions as smooth as possible but had to sacrifice a couple inches out of one of the runners due to limited space reasons. The welds look lumpy but are good on the inside (no burn-through lumps or anything ugly like that).

It may not look it, but the short runner actually exits the engine fairly straight before it gently curves into a correct 30° collector. The mandrel u-bends should keep velocity as high as possible (compared to crush bent stuff) and was the only solution in my limited amount of space in the back of a rotary baja project.



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Old Oct 30, 2008 | 12:20 PM
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What did you use to weld up the pipes?

Also, do you make those for us too :P LOL
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Old Nov 1, 2008 | 04:10 AM
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thats going to be soooooooooo loud lol it may even blow bubbles hehe sorry had to say it
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