jeezy25

see what i mean about help with my efi. the flapper door is closed like it should be. i would think tps but it just died one day all the sudden. SOMEONE HELP ME PLEASE. if you guys dont help me the grannysspeedshop.com website is lookin real nice

Kerebrus

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Weber 48IDA or OER 47mm. Help is done.

Sterling

Wacky has always hated the Sterling Nikki. I don't think I've ever read anything written by him suggesting that it's even a worthy contribution to the rotary community. He's always present to contribute his "get a Weber or you suck" opinion, though. So save your money, Chris, because you could show him how well it works, but you'll never impress him no matter what. A guy like Wacky ain't never gonna give no kudos.

Siraniko

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i never said that a sterling carb is bad. i said it will never outbeat a weber as far as tuning, availability in parts and the best part, it can be used on any application. SO you buy it once and thats it. then when you get tired of it, you can easily sell it..there are several non-rotary cars out there that are still using a IDA. now, for his situation wherein he needs a choke, dont buy a 45 DCOE, instead, get the 48 DCOE. That is just my honest opinion and from personal experience in owning many carbs (hint: it will save you $$ in the long run). btw, do you have any experience on carbs other than a sterling? i wonder how much it will cost to make that sterling carb work on 6port.

So with that said, can I send my IDA to you for polishing...may be dip it in chinese gold or something. I would like a forum discount also

Kerebrus

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Kentetsu

Oh my, now the claws are out! Yet another carb comparison thread gone to **** due to opinion over fact......

Boy, I never saw this coming.....

Sterling

Yes, I know. And you were wrong then, too. The Sterling as far more tunable than the Weber will ever be, those "hard to find" Holley jets are only available... everywhere, and the Sterling can tuned for economy, street performance, autocross, track racing, and even drag racing applications.
-Of course, I do realize that "street performance" is a very subjective term. Personally, I feel that low end power is a requirement of street performance. Obviously, you do not. But even if I give you that one, I've still got you beat on tuning versatility, and, well let's face it, -ain't nobody winning an autocross with a Weber.Why yes, yes I do. But not with a Weber.
...Do you have any experience with a Sterling?No, you may not. But I know what you can do with it...

MattG

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Ok ok calm it down guys.

Here is a quote from something a wise man told me once on the forum

There will never be a end all answer to this question. Search and Read, I have a few threads on the topic of carbs.

/ thread

Siraniko

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experience with sterling...nope and it is not in my wish list. maybe the jets are now easily accessible, but if you will only play with jets, its a half-*** job.

but you still didnt answer the question: how much work will it take to use a sterling on a 6port.

'87 turbo II

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I like my Dellorto DHLA 48, but I've never used anything else other than the fuel injection on the turbocharged 2nd gen so I'm bad for comparing things. The first gen is quicker though.

RXvedub

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some facts
you can still buy a weber new
a weber was born a high performance carb equipped with unlimited tuning capability at your fingertips for fine tuning like no other carb . results maximum performance and driveability. there are lots of weber tuning guru's out there so getting the right tuning combo is fairly easy.


you can't buy a nikki new, as they are discontinued. there are also very few tuners that choose these carbs due to the limited parts resorces so finding help isnt easy.
the nikki was born as a smog emmission cluster f*ck with the idle mixture screw fitted with a tamper resistant cap to prevent any adjustment. there is no aftermarket emulsion tubes available for it wich limits tuning the power curve greatly. you cant swap out fuel jets easily and there is not many sizes to choose from unless you modify it to accept holley jets. even when a nikki is modified your still left with a 30 year old carb with worn out throttle shafs that leak fuel. a nikki will work but its not top choice for racers.

most people that race mazda's dont run a nikki unless they HAVE to. ther is a few reasons for this guys figure it out!

RXvedub

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NO carburator will stary easily in that kind of weather.....

Sterling

Some facts...

Webers on rotarys notoriously lack low end performance.
There are at least 250,000 Nikkis in North America.
Holley jets fit right in as fuel jets.
I modify the Nikki emulsion tubes to take the same Holley jets. There's no need for different emulsion tubes, either. The ones in the Nikki need not be changed. Ever.
...And there are plenty of Canadian and Michigan Sterling owners who start their Rx-7s quite effortlessly in cold weather. The Sterling has no choke, either.

Folks, I've said it before- I don't really give a crap if your choice is a Weber or a Holley or whatever. But don't talk out your *** about the carburetor I modify, because I guarantee I know more about it than you do.

Kerebrus

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I beg to differ. I'm running a Weber 48DCOE on my car and I love the low end performance it gives. In comparison to my old FB that had a modified nikki, it wasn't even close to the amount of power my Weber is giving. But it wasn't a bad carb, for what it's worth it was good power and reliable, no bogging ever which I can honestly say I love and miss cause the Weber does bog on occasion, but for the power it gives I can't complain

'87 turbo II

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lol me challenging your knowledge would be like n 8 year old trying to tell a colledge professor he is wrong, and I'll be man enough to admit that first. Keeep up the good work you've done to help out the Rx-7 community, sorry I don't have a Sterling carb though.

Super82

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I don't think this is quite true. I don't have any proof of it, but I'm sure someone is racing with a weber. They are fantastic carbs for racing. Just because it lacks low end doesn't mean it is bad for autocrossing. I have no experience with webers and none with autocrossing (I plan to race this summer), but I do enduro race.

That is the type of racing on dirtbikes where we go through tiny *** trails and tons of obsticles out in the woods. Similar to autocrossing, I suppose, as usually we are going slow (under 10MPH) and doing tricky ****. I do it on a 125 two stoke with a single barreled carb. I'm not sure how many of you are familar with two strokes, but they have no bottom end. It is all about keeping your RPMs up and staying in the powerband. On a rotary-much like a two stroke-you have plenty of revs to play with that really eliminates need for low end. Face it, rotaries are not low end torque monsters, but they don't have to be.

The debate of two stroke (high end revs) and four stroke (low end torque) is brought up all the time on dirtbike forums. The general opinion is that the low end torque is just a band aid for not knowing how to stay in the pipe. This can be applied to a rotary v. v8 debate as well.

Siraniko

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So, Sterling, do you have any experience with any non-sterling carbs to prove your point??

Kerebrus

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From what I understand, that would be a no. I don't think Sterling owns an RX-7 either.

justint5387

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http://www.cardomain.com/ride/704744/2

It is not running a weber, but it is running a 2 barrel.... 3rd place in 1997 National Championship. Didn't trophy after that because FB is just not that competitive in CSP, admit the truth guys.

Kentetsu

This is getting ridiculous...

A few things I've learned from this thread:

1. Carb owners tend to be very loyal to whatever they've got.
2. They will defend their choice vehemently, even if they have to ignore facts to do so.
3. RXvdub has been around for a lot longer than his screen name would imply (doesn't take a genius to figure out who you are)

Okay then, on to a couple of facts:

1. I live in Michigan, and it is cold as hell. My car sits for most of the winter, but when the roads do happen to be clear and dry (and salt free) then I will dig my car out of the snow bank (and I do mean dig) and take her for a spin. Even after six or eight weeks of sitting, and no choke, and sub zero weather, she starts right up without any problems. I even drove it to work today when the temp was in the low teens.

2. Autocrossing a Sterling: I have been beaten by RX7s that are fuel injected (but only as long as they are on race rubber and I'm not). I have not been beaten by a carb'd 7 on street tires in over 4 years (since I've had my Sterling), and I'm almost sure that I haven't been beaten by a carb'd 7 at all in those 4 years.

3. You can watch my videos, and use them as proof of performance in autocross. I have not seen anything like this relating to any other aftermarket carb (but they may be out there, I confess that I don't spend much time searching for stuff like that).

4. I am very loyal to my choice of carb, but not even that will make me ignore facts. And I have stated before that I have no experience with any other carb (besides a modified Nikki (not to be confused with a Sterling by any means)). However, I've got a Sterling and it fulfills my needs because I keep on winning races in one of the toughest classes to run in, even beating Miatas 19 out of 20 times these past two years (and again, those losses were due to race rubber).


So, can we please keep the BS out of a carb related thread for once in the history of this forum? I have yet to hear from anyone who has actually run multiple carbs which include a Sterling, other than those members who have ditched a weber/holley/whatever to go to a Sterling. So if you don't have facts to contribute, then why bother posting?

Also, I noticed that Robert (er, I mean RXvedub) keeps comparing webers to modified Nikkis rather than Sterling carbs..... Why bother? Trying to muddy the waters a bit perhaps?

I understand that people can get passionate about this topic, but please lets try to stick to facts and stop slinging the **** around so much. Why do you think so many of these threads get closed by the moderators?

Peace.....

Kerebrus

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Hey Kentetsu, do you have a dyno sheet with your current setup?

Kentetsu

Sorry, my car and I have never been near one. I'd like to, but other things and expenses keep coming up. With a wife and three boys, I can barely afford (time/money) to keep racing. Maybe this year I'll get an opportunity to do so...

Sterling

Not that it has any bearing on my carburetor knowledge, but I have had an FB since 2000, and most of the time I've had 2 or more. The most I've had running at one time was 4.
I have a RB Holley 465. I have run this on three occasions for about two months each time, but not because I disliked it. I simply wanted to compare it to my Sterling. I got it second hand, specifically for testing. I did have a Yaw Nikki, but I sold it years ago. I've never had a Weber or equivalent 2 bbl. I didn't get into doing any modifications with the Holley, though at one time I had intended to.
The Holley is terrific from the mid range on up, but was lacking compared to my modded Nikki in the low end. The Sterling and Yaw also breath plenty for the mid & upper range. So up top, the RB 465 Holley meets the 12a's needs the same as the Yaw & the Nikki. ...just as a coffee can in the shape of a venturi with a fuel tube shoved in it's side would, too.

The reason I don't discuss much of my "hands on" comparison with the Holley and the Sterling is because not only have I not done dyno comparisons, I also switched to an aluminum flywheel a few years back and have since gotten rid of all my other FBs. Since I have the light flywheel, my results are not going to reflect the average user's results anyway, and the dyno results are going to be a lot more generous to the low end than they should be of any carb I test. The aluminum flywheel also changes the jet configuration needed for the Sterling at low end.
What comparison I did do between the Sterling and the RB Holley was on the same engine that the Sterling was developed on (with the stock flywheel), but limited to my assometer. I have no dyno results comparing the two.
I did hit the dyno to test jet configurations, but not with my car. The ignition timing was off, and the results for peak HP were not up to what they should be. I won't disclose the peak HP & torque #s from those dyno results simply because not one of you having the combination of what should be a normal, healthy skepticism, that is unfortunately tainted by brand loyalty into a rather unhealthy, nasty skepticism, really wants to see any decent dyno numbers come from me. As a result of this forum being plagued with unsubstantiated ill opinion, if I post sub-par numbers with an excuse before I post decent ones, the ones that'll be brought up most often are the shitty ones.
I do plan on hitting the dyno with one of my own FBs with a stock flywheel and stock ignition. It will involve a 3 hour drive, and a bit of cash. There's not a dyno every 30 miles here in NY. When I go, I'll have to take the Holley, too.
But until I get numbers that I want, I'm not posting ****, and I'll never fudge them (unlike the off-calibrated overinflated bullshit I see in the Dyno Thread here ).
Question is, how far will someone like ME have to go before my dyno data is found credible? Will I have to provide contiguous footage of jetting the Holley and testing it just so someone can't claim I sabotaged it? Or will I just get a free pass of credibility with higher results than expected from this gallery, even if I refuse to disclose any details?
...And speaking of posting overinflated bullshit dyno results without disclosing details of the induction system, I honestly had no idea that Rxvdub is Robert.
I see why Yaw never went on the forum. He had the right idea.
I'll be adding more to my website, and much less here.

Siraniko

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oh shiet another novel. how about a summary since I've got other things to do

Super82

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I don't think anybody is willing to ignore facts on what carb choice is best, but I think the problem is that there is no carb that IS best. To me I think they all offer pros and cons, but there is no way you can say one is best for all situations. Thus refer to my first post, it really depends on what you want, its not like webers are better than sterlings now until forever in every situation. I myself would rather have the sterling on the street and the weber on the track.