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Old Aug 20, 2005 | 11:37 PM
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You know those round "barrel keys" that are used on Kryptonite bike locks? I would like to install a lock that requires that key in my floor board under the mat... It would be as a "master power" switch between the ignition and the solenoid, so that no dipshit could hot-wire the car.

Does anybody know if any company makes anything like that? I know there were companies that make a floor board lock for gas lines, but if you are running fuel injection, you can't use it. I'm just trying to think of the easiest way to keep her safe, ya know?
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Old Aug 20, 2005 | 11:39 PM
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That would be cool.
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Old Aug 20, 2005 | 11:51 PM
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JCWhitney sells 'em.
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Old Aug 20, 2005 | 11:58 PM
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I'd do it on the fuel pump instead, or main - ground... or all 3? I dunno.
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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 03:38 AM
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i think that one has a removable key

years ago i remember seeing a brake lock device that was really cool. you would push the brake pedal,turn and remove a key. your brakes would remain locked until you reinsert the key and turn it. so even if someone got in your car and wasa able to hotwire it they couldnt drive anywhere.

now that i think about it that might not be a good idea.
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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 04:55 AM
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why not pull the fuel pump fuse instead, and if you are really ****, replace it with a burnt out fuse.
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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by skrewloose78
years ago i remember seeing a brake lock device that was really cool. you would push the brake pedal,turn and remove a key. your brakes would remain locked until you reinsert the key and turn it. so even if someone got in your car and wasa able to hotwire it they couldnt drive anywhere.
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That would be really cool cause your car would not be going anywhere unless of course it was somehow loaded on a flatbed truck which is kinda unlikely even then the brakes would still be locked making it a pain... Very cool idea, now we just need to find someone who makes these...
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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 11:42 AM
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i think it was in the summit catalog but i cant remember the name and i havent seen them in a while. but then again its years since ive bought a summit catolag
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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 12:07 PM
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Those brake locks are the way to go.

http://www.autosportcatalog.com/inde...cid/86/sc/2737

found one. Either for brake or for brake and clutch pedals.

only $35

I should get one myself
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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 09:18 PM
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i dont see how that would lock, does anyone else? that could actually be a really good idea. i was wanting to get an alarm system installed in my 7 but i dont know
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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 09:20 PM
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Well, I am getting an alarm as well, but I just thought it would be nice to have something hidden... Kinda like a master switch for more risky areas (even though I'm nowhere near any...)
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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 10:03 PM
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My '85 GSL-SE has "Star Key Saftey Locks" on the doors. It was installed back in the '80s by the original owner. I like them, but worry about losing my keys...not quite sure I can get duplicates made!



I'm not sure about there being any sort of barrel lock electrical switches, which is what it sounds like you are looking for.

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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 10:40 PM
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what is the whole purpose of the star key? i mean i know it would be hard to pick, but honestly all someone has to do is break your window and theyre in. i like the batterie kill switch but thatd be too much trouble. the idea of running a kill switch to the fuel pump isnt bad one at all, but id also like a way to prevent tem from entering my car at all. maybe i should invest in some bulletproof glass jk
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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 11:05 PM
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I find that people don't mess with my car after it is in my garage with the doors locked and the alarm set! I do worry though when I take it places.
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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 11:32 PM
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what is the whole purpose of the star key? i mean i know it would be hard to pick, but honestly all someone has to do is break your window and theyre in. i like the batterie kill switch but thatd be too much trouble. the idea of running a kill switch to the fuel pump isnt bad one at all, but id also like a way to prevent tem from entering my car at all. maybe i should invest in some bulletproof glass jk
I mainly just like that I won't break my key off in the lock, as I've done before with the conventional flat keys. It's also just a tad more secure than the any-mazda-key-will-work stock locks, as they are all worn out at this point. Sure, there is always a way to defeat whatever security precautions you take, but the idea is that someone will find your car just a bit harder to break into than the one parked next to you and thus pick the easier target. Theives are lazy...if they weren't, they wouldn't be theives. My car also has an aftermarket alarm and I park it inside a relatively secure gated parking lot, just under my bedroom window.

I have been toying with the idea of installing a Water Thermo Sensor "open-short" switch on my fuel injected GSL-SE. It would not stop someone from starting the car, but it would make the car almost undrivable and put out a big cloud of fuel smoke as the car dumps fuel into the engine, thinking it's negative-40 degrees outside. I had that inadvertently happen on one of my old 2nd gens and the damn thing could barely make it through an intersection, bucking and coughing. I suppose you could do something similar with the Air Flow Meter, too. On a carb'd 1st gen, the fuel cut is about the only practical approach, though.
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Sammymatik
Those brake locks are the way to go.

http://www.autosportcatalog.com/inde...cid/86/sc/2737

found one. Either for brake or for brake and clutch pedals.

only $35

I should get one myself
thats not the ones i was talking about. the one i was reffering to is actually a hydraulic lock meaning that it ties into the lines of the brake system. when locked it doesnt allow fluid to pass.

those pedal locks can be easily defeated esspeciallyif you consider you only have to drive it far enough to work on it without being disturbed. you dont really need a clutch or brakes to get it that far.im sure most will agree since probablly like me your clutch safety switch doesnt work(even if it does its not hard to bypass) and im sure most of you have had your clutch master or slave cylinder go out and have to drive a short distance without use of a clutch. even the newer cars with the brake/shift interlock(where you cant shift out of park without pressing the pedal) is a failsafe system and all you have to do is turn the ignitionto the first position,pull out of park into nuetral,start car and drive.they make it that way so you can still drive it to be repaired in the case of a brake switch or shift solenoid failure.
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 03:27 PM
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where would someone get a set of those locks? would they only be usable on the doors or can you also install it on the hatch and or gas door? how much would the kit run for? thanks
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 04:16 PM
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where would someone get a set of those locks? would they only be usable on the doors or can you also install it on the hatch and or gas door? how much would the kit run for? thanks
No clue. Mine were installed back in the 80s, by the original owner. But, I need spare keys and if I can't find them, I might just see about finding replacement locks of the same variety. Anyone interested in a Group Buy?
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 04:26 PM
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im down if they can do all the locks and most likely if they are only for the doors also.
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 09:38 PM
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Remember those floor-mounted dimmer switches used on domestic cars up until the late 70's? Depress it once, your lights go bright. Depress it again and your lights go back to dim. It could also be used as an on/off switch. One of those would be great for disabling the electric fuel pump.

Mount it in a discrete location, preferrably under the carpeting of the floor behind the clutch pedal. Not only would this keep your car from being stolen from your driveway or the underground lot at the mall, it would also insure that a would-be car jacker would only get about 1/2 block before the engine quit--- enough time for you to make your escape.
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Aviator 902S
Remember those floor-mounted dimmer switches used on domestic cars up until the late 70's? Depress it once, your lights go bright. Depress it again and your lights go back to dim. It could also be used as an on/off switch. One of those would be great for disabling the electric fuel pump.

Mount it in a discrete location, preferrably under the carpeting of the floor behind the clutch pedal. Not only would this keep your car from being stolen from your driveway or the underground lot at the mall, it would also insure that a would-be car jacker would only get about 1/2 block before the engine quit--- enough time for you to make your escape.
i think behind the clutch petal would be a pain, because if you hit the clutch too hard, you'd kill the car
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 05:59 AM
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Nice idea aviator... bet that would confues the **** out of them too if the knew anything aboaut 7's.

Also those star locks are not the most secure thing either... If you need a replacement key pm me...

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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 09:59 AM
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Cheapest/best security:

Hidden cut off switches. Be creative in your hiding, and your car becomes unstealable.

I've got one on the fuel pump, as it will allow the car to be started, but not driven or restarted. Makes theif think car is poorly tuned, and not worth stealing.

You could also break the coil power. This one is good because the car will crank, but not start, and since you are grounding the low voltage side of the coil, you can get away with not using a relay. Makes hiding the wiring easier.

Obviously keyed hidden switches are better than regular hidden switches. I've even seen plans for a cut off switch that can only be activated by placing a magnet at a certain point on the dashboard.

Oh, for the really cheap, just take the dizzy rotor with you when you leave the car.
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 10:41 AM
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Harley ignitions use the round keys,

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ROUND-KEY-FATBOB-...QQcmdZViewItem

You could make something like that work ^


Something like this would be nice too,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCR...spagenameZWD1V

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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 02:18 PM
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Hate to post this but here is the crap I am talking about...
http://www.engadget.com/entry/3744297085452721/

More and more locks of this general type are being found to have the same vulerablity...

Quick video... http://media.weblogsinc.com/common/videos/pt/lock.wmv
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