Getting rid of beehive on 85 - RX7Club.com - Mazda RX7 Forum

1st Generation Specific (1979-1985) 1979-1985 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections

Getting rid of beehive on 85

Reply

 
 
Old 09-18-17, 10:10 AM
  #1
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 149
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Getting rid of beehive on 85

Want to start gathering parts for next upgrade to my car. Want to get rid of beehive oil cooler and go to front mounted cooler like the earlier FBs.


What parts do I need to round up and is there a good tutorial on doing this?
racerx01 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-17, 12:12 PM
  #2
Out In the Barn
iTrader: (6)
 
KansasCityREPU's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Liberty, Missouri
Posts: 3,422
Thanked 29 Times in 27 Posts
I will categorized this in to three different approaches.

1. Factory - Get early 1981-1983 factory or 1984-1985 GSL-SE setup. You can use the factory hoses or make your own with -10AN fittings. New factory hoses are no longer available. When using -10AN, you can use Racing Beat's setup or make your own. Making your own is cheaper.

2. Second gen. More fab than choice 1 but not to bad. There is an example here on the forum. You will need to make your own hoses.

3. Custom - I went this route and it was pretty expensive. When going this route, you need to ensure the cooler has an internal thermostat or use an external one.

If I have a choice, I like using the factory first gen style cooler with the internal thermostat. It's up to yop if you weld on -10AN fittings. It does make it a little nicer. I also like using nylon braided hose v.s. stainless braided.

Last edited by KansasCityREPU; 09-18-17 at 03:20 PM.
KansasCityREPU is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-17, 12:41 PM
  #3
RX-7 restoration guy
iTrader: (91)
 
mazdaverx713b's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vermilion Ohio
Posts: 15,285
Thanked 22 Times in 22 Posts
Go with the GSL-SE oil cooler amd lines. It will work with your original radiator and is essentially bolt in. It's a fantastic upgrade over the beehive oil cooler. You'll also need the SE oil filter pedestal and o-rings to complete the conversion.
mazdaverx713b is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-17, 01:28 PM
  #4
Full Member
 
rayadas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Slinger, WI
Posts: 145
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Here's the thread I used when changing out my beehive
https://www.rx7club.com/1st-gen-arch...p-pics-478521/
rayadas is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-17, 02:02 PM
  #5
Lapping = Fapping
iTrader: (12)
 
Jeff20B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Near Seattle
Posts: 15,320
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
My GSL-SE oil cooler cracked so I swapped a beehive in. The plan was to get it repaired but:

a) the beehive worked so darn well, even on a 13B with a turbo, that I decided to keep it

b) real life got in the way and I ended up having to get rid of a bunch of parts, including the SE oil cooler which sat for a few years

c) the rear oil cooler line ended up going to an FD shortblock swapped into an FB, which as you might know, the FD oil pedestal has the banjo bolt connection on it, and the rear iron lacks a threaded fitting at the lower corner. The JC Cosmo rear irons are the same way as they had an auto trans and the starter was flipped so the motor was pointing forward thus had no room for an oil line to hook up down there. I guess Mazda kept it that way for the FD as well.

So don't feel bad about having a beehive. They aren't as bad as their reputation would suggest.
Jeff20B is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-17, 09:37 PM
  #6
Daily Beaten
iTrader: (3)
 
TheRX7Project's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Milwaukee
Posts: 585
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Is there any reason not to run both the beehive and FMOC together? Also, to paraphrase Jeff20B, what's wrong with the beehive?

Anyone who doesn't want their beehives can feel free to send them my way.
TheRX7Project is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-19-17, 11:25 AM
  #7
Waffles - hmmm good
iTrader: (1)
 
t_g_farrell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Huntersville, N.C.
Posts: 6,969
Thanked 19 Times in 18 Posts
Beehives are less effective at cooling the oil because the best cooling acheived
will be whatever the coolant temperature is at the rear of the block after it has
been heat soaked from the engine.

So the FMOC is a better solution but it costs more and the beehive was invented
to reduce costs. Note that the GSL-SEs and the FC/FD all have external oil coolers.
The beehive is can also be a maintenance issue because of leaks and weakening
the hoses below it causing burst coolant hoses.

Sure folks use the beehive as Jeff notes and they seem ok. If for any reason your
coolant doesn't cool well the effect on the oil cooling will be worse as well.
t_g_farrell is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-20-17, 06:40 AM
  #8
RX-7 restoration guy
iTrader: (91)
 
mazdaverx713b's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vermilion Ohio
Posts: 15,285
Thanked 22 Times in 22 Posts
Originally Posted by TheRX7Project View Post
Is there any reason not to run both the beehive and FMOC together? Also, to paraphrase Jeff20B, what's wrong with the beehive?

Anyone who doesn't want their beehives can feel free to send them my way.
Using a stock setup with each you cannot run them both together. With some fabrication I suppose you could but straight out of the box no.
mazdaverx713b is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-20-17, 03:11 PM
  #9
Full Member
 
ian65's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: England
Posts: 54
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
You really need an uprated cooling system to run a beehive on anything other than a stock engine, especially on turbo cars.... beehives are just heat exchangers that just transfer the heat from the oil into the cooling system which is already marginal on stock FB's.... air cooled oil coolers are the proper job.
I'm running a TII front mounted cooler slung from the round cross tube in front of the rad...



my temps on a 12a Turbo are spot on even after driving it up on the boost for long periods.
ian65 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-17, 06:42 PM
  #10
Full Member
 
thirteenbees's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Victoria B.C
Posts: 60
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
FMO also has a greater volume of oil.
thirteenbees is offline  
Reply With Quote
 
 
 


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:44 AM.


All content Copyright 2007 by Internet Brands, Inc. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
 
  • Ask a Question
    Get answers from community experts
Question Title:
Description:
Your question will be posted in: