1st Generation Specific (1979-1985) 1979-1985 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections

fuel pumps

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 16, 2005 | 01:11 PM
  #1  
Turbo II-FB's Avatar
Thread Starter
Rotary Freak
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,879
Likes: 0
From: Austin-Houston Texas
fuel pumps

Where did you get your fuel pump guys?? I was looking for a walbro but they label for
years like 85-95 ,but they dont have one for my 82 help!
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2005 | 01:26 PM
  #2  
IanS's Avatar
Ricer
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 4,424
Likes: 1
From: Washington, Iowa
Just make sure that the pressure and flow are correct for your application. What kind of carb are you running? Is it the stock nikki? Do you plan on getting something else down the road, like an aftermarket or modified carb? This will help us determine what you will need.
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2005 | 02:00 PM
  #3  
Turbo II-FB's Avatar
Thread Starter
Rotary Freak
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,879
Likes: 0
From: Austin-Houston Texas
my s4 T2 is going in next week
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2005 | 02:04 PM
  #4  
hondah8er's Avatar
mazdaspeed 3 coming soon
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 1,761
Likes: 0
From: Mississauga, Ontario
Originally Posted by Turbo II-FB
Where did you get your fuel pump guys?? I was looking for a walbro but they label for
years like 85-95 ,but they dont have one for my 82 help!
Almost everythign is going to be custom if you have a 13bt in an FB. Why does it matter what years they list the walboros as if its custom anyways?
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2005 | 02:19 PM
  #5  
Turbo II-FB's Avatar
Thread Starter
Rotary Freak
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,879
Likes: 0
From: Austin-Houston Texas
oh so i just need to buy a 13bt walbro and i should be aLRIGHT
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2005 | 06:54 PM
  #6  
hondah8er's Avatar
mazdaspeed 3 coming soon
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 1,761
Likes: 0
From: Mississauga, Ontario
u got it.
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2005 | 07:19 PM
  #7  
trochoid's Avatar
Old Fart Young at Heart
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 15,145
Likes: 8
From: St Joe MO
Are you going internal or external? If internal you have to modify the tank. The TII Walbro is internal, you will probably want to go external for simplicity. Pick an external that has the same flow capacity and is for FI.
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2005 | 09:47 PM
  #8  
hondah8er's Avatar
mazdaspeed 3 coming soon
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 1,761
Likes: 0
From: Mississauga, Ontario
Thats a good idea. I'm using a bosch 910 I beleive on mine. External of course for simplicity.
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2005 | 09:58 PM
  #9  
steve84GS TII's Avatar
FB+FC=F-ME
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 3,353
Likes: 5
From: Rohnert Park CA
If you go external,just be sure you install an SE fuel tank or a baffle box around the fuel pickup, inside a non SE tank.Below 1/3 full the fuel will slosh away from the pickup during lefthand turns.Fuel injectors use pump pressure to fire,and will stop injecting the instant fuel pressure is lost,unlike a low pressure carb setup which can pass some bubbles with no issue since the carb has its own supply of fuel in the float bowl.

If you happen to be boosting at the time,the lean out condition caused by loss of fuel pressure can blow the motor.Even if your not boosting,slamming your head into the steering wheel when the car stops accelerating,is no fun either.
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2005 | 10:57 PM
  #10  
luiml73's Avatar
Rotary Powered Boobies
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 2,530
Likes: 0
From: Miami Beach
I'm taking the Directfreak route. better safe than sorry!!

His Aeromotive



My SX18201


Last edited by luiml73; Jan 16, 2005 at 11:02 PM.
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2005 | 11:08 PM
  #11  
coldy13's Avatar
Yeah, shutup kid.
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,686
Likes: 2
From: Columbus, OH
Originally Posted by steve84GS TII
If you go external,just be sure you install an SE fuel tank or a baffle box around the fuel pickup, inside a non SE tank.Below 1/3 full the fuel will slosh away from the pickup during lefthand turns.Fuel injectors use pump pressure to fire,and will stop injecting the instant fuel pressure is lost,unlike a low pressure carb setup which can pass some bubbles with no issue since the carb has its own supply of fuel in the float bowl.

If you happen to be boosting at the time,the lean out condition caused by loss of fuel pressure can blow the motor.Even if your not boosting,slamming your head into the steering wheel when the car stops accelerating,is no fun either.

You don't need baffles or anything if your tank has a drain plug. Just plug the stock fuel sump and put a fitting in the drain plug. The stock pickup is just enough to support a blowthrough nikki with a stock ported motor. I know the drain plug is good for at least a weber48 with a large streerport. And that's with the stock hard lines. I never run under 1/3 tank anyway, and I wouldn't suggest doing it with whatever tank you have unless it's a fuel cell.

Last edited by coldy13; Jan 16, 2005 at 11:11 PM.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2005 | 12:37 AM
  #12  
Turbo II-FB's Avatar
Thread Starter
Rotary Freak
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,879
Likes: 0
From: Austin-Houston Texas
well heres the thing my s4 is going in and I need the proper fuel pump for it I have a 1982 GS I dont know if it has a internal or external and I need to know If anybody has one please tell me
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2005 | 12:48 AM
  #13  
coldy13's Avatar
Yeah, shutup kid.
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,686
Likes: 2
From: Columbus, OH
It's external. Don't bother trying to put an internal in, it's not worth the effort. Just either put in a new pickup in the tank or do what I said with the drain plug.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2005 | 10:03 AM
  #14  
hondah8er's Avatar
mazdaspeed 3 coming soon
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 1,761
Likes: 0
From: Mississauga, Ontario
Originally Posted by steve84GS TII
If you go external,just be sure you install an SE fuel tank or a baffle box around the fuel pickup, inside a non SE tank.Below 1/3 full the fuel will slosh away from the pickup during lefthand turns.Fuel injectors use pump pressure to fire,and will stop injecting the instant fuel pressure is lost,unlike a low pressure carb setup which can pass some bubbles with no issue since the carb has its own supply of fuel in the float bowl.

If you happen to be boosting at the time,the lean out condition caused by loss of fuel pressure can blow the motor.Even if your not boosting,slamming your head into the steering wheel when the car stops accelerating,is no fun either.
Steve

how do you install a baffle box around the fuel pick up? What did you do for your setup? My car started life out as a GSL so my tank is different then a non se tank right?.

I was thinking of getting my tank sumped since its fairly inexpensive.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2005 | 12:17 PM
  #15  
rotary emotions's Avatar
HEAVY METAL THUNDER
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 3,864
Likes: 0
From: Elsenborn, Belgian Eifel
this is what I did: use a pre-pump (low pressure, high flow) to pump fuel into a swirlpotk (example: http://www.tweakit.net/shop/product_...roducts_id=124 ), then use a high volume EFI pump (as luiml73 put it: better safe then sorry!) to feed the engine. I used a SX pump (I believe a 18201 aswell) but just make sure it's a good one. This is a perfectly safe route. But if you have a GSL-SE tank (mind you: it WON'T fit an 1982 without modifications! This is due to the spare wheel carrier being different: the 84-85 models have "fake" spares, to use a larger fuel tank) you can use that, it's baffled and doesn't require a anti-surgetank.
DON''T use a stock gastank without a surgetank: the pump should never suck air, with an EFI engine this will lead to a bad running engine.
Also note you'll need bigger fuel lines. And a good return line.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2005 | 03:07 PM
  #16  
Turbo II-FB's Avatar
Thread Starter
Rotary Freak
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,879
Likes: 0
From: Austin-Houston Texas
does the 2 gs model have an internal or external
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2005 | 03:07 PM
  #17  
Turbo II-FB's Avatar
Thread Starter
Rotary Freak
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,879
Likes: 0
From: Austin-Houston Texas
ans what type of fuel pump is that
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2005 | 04:39 PM
  #18  
coldy13's Avatar
Yeah, shutup kid.
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,686
Likes: 2
From: Columbus, OH
Your car and all other FB's have an external pump.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2005 | 07:21 PM
  #19  
Turbo II-FB's Avatar
Thread Starter
Rotary Freak
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,879
Likes: 0
From: Austin-Houston Texas
now the next question which brand??

Last edited by Turbo II-FB; Jan 17, 2005 at 07:41 PM.
Reply
Old Jan 18, 2005 | 01:50 PM
  #20  
red13brx7's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 519
Likes: 0
From: Pennsylvania
I am curious about this as well. I want to go with a fuel cell. That would have a good sponge type thing in the cell that keeps the fuel from sloshing around. I want to run an externam MSD pump. DOes that seem like a decent idea?
Reply
Old Jan 18, 2005 | 04:43 PM
  #21  
Jeff20B's Avatar
Lapping = Fapping
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 15,725
Likes: 91
From: Near Seattle
I have the 16 gallon cell from Summit with safety foam and a GM guage sender that I've modded to output a resistance reading my Mazda guage can use. It's simple; you cut a trace or two on the circuit board of the sender and add a jumper which reverses the resistance curve. I had to add a 10 ohm resistor to the S terminal to get a correct empty reading (the full reading isn't as important as the empty reading, if you know what I mean).

I've also installed a Walbro 255 with a Fram G3 in front of it. We all know Fram's oil filters suck, but people here have said their fuel filters are decent.
Reply
Old Jan 18, 2005 | 11:36 PM
  #22  
red13brx7's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 519
Likes: 0
From: Pennsylvania
Nice man, I might have to get ahold of you for the output mod for the sender. I can definitley do it. Just would need some directions.
Reply
Old Jan 19, 2005 | 02:20 AM
  #23  
Jeff20B's Avatar
Lapping = Fapping
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 15,725
Likes: 91
From: Near Seattle
I did the mod back in summer of '03. Hmm, what did I do? I studied the traces on the circuit board and then modded it in the only way that made sense to me. I honestly don't remember the exact mods I did.
Reply
Old Jan 20, 2005 | 02:24 PM
  #24  
Centrefuge2's Avatar
Centrefuge2
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
From: Woodstock, GA 30189
Im new to the group, so please forgive me if i am asking repeated questions. I have an FB with the 12A, fuel pump gave out. I want to replace it with the Carter CRT-P4594 fuel pump and the Holley HLY-12-804 F.P.R. It has a Mikuni carb. If anyone has performed this upgrade, I am in need of some pretty detailed instructions for this mod.

Thanks.
Reply
Old Jan 20, 2005 | 03:15 PM
  #25  
Jeff20B's Avatar
Lapping = Fapping
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 15,725
Likes: 91
From: Near Seattle
It's best to mount the Carter with the motor at the bottom and the fuel fittings at the top. I had one connected to my fuel cell for a carb setup before I got the Walbro for an EFI setup. The Carter worked fine when it was in there and made a lot of noise. Yes, Carters are loud fuel pumps. I'd recommend rubber standoffs or something.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:50 AM.