hello everyone im so excited today i found a cure for that problematic emissions test .a friend/mechanic told me today his brother in law had a half of tank of gas and put 2 gallons of alchol fuel in it and the dmv guy said ive never seen a car that old run so clean,the reason why is because methenol(alcohol fuel)has no hydrocarbons.ive not tried it in a rotary yet but im going to tommorow,its about 7 bucks a gallon around here but its a heck of alot less than fixing the emmision system,ill let you guys know how it went

 

Alright well true that Methanol willl lower your hydrocarbons on emissions however you have a few inaccuracies. First of all methanol is a hydrocarbon hydrocarbons are an organic compound consisting only of carbon and hydrogen.
They all consist of carbon backbone and atoms of hydrogen attached to that backbone

Methonals combustion process:
2 CH3OH + 3 O2 → 2 CO2 + 4 H2O
The end result is water and carbon dioxide.
In relation to gasoline which is a much more complex process of combusion, hower still relying on the hydrocarbon. We are not simply using pure Oxygen when we have combustion, there is also Nitrogen, Oxygen and argon, with trace amounts of other gases. This is where you get Your Oxides of nitrogen levels, which you saw were particularly low for your engine because they occour at higher comubstion temperatures 2500 degrees. The added methanol changed the stoichometic ratio of the gasoline from 14.7:1 by weight, and stoich ratio of 6.4:1 (much more gas) lets say your running 20% Methanol to 80% Gasoline. It also slows down flame propgation and gives you a higher AKI. I have to go for dinner if you want more info just email me at mark_biernacki@hotmail.com

 

i thought the corn mash was ETHanol...

 

another trick is to take the hose off theback of the air pump and connect it to the pipe that goes to the cat it will also test clean.

["cough""cough" did it "cough" "cough"]

 

The reason methanol works is that smog test equipment measures the level of NON-Methyl Organic compounds. IE, the hydrocarbons that are not Methane, thus, if you put methane in, you get methane out, your HC readings go down.

 

Hey so can I just remove the hose that goes from the AP to the ACV and send it straight to the cat? Will bypassing the ACV be ok? If I fail this time around, I'm just gonna do that.

Funny, we just had this conversation in my combustion class last week. Yes, corn has ethanol, NOT methanol (otherwise you'd be dead).

So, will there be any significant dissociation into CO that might shoot up the CO level? Or will this somehow help my COs as well?

Can I just pour 2 gallons of methanol into my gas tank? Is this going to be ok for the fuel system? Will the car drive ok? Has anyone done it? Any consequences to be aware of?

 

bump

 

well i did it today and my hc count went from 1790 to 18 and my co2 count went from 5.98 to 0.

 

well i had premix in mine so i added three gallons of methonal to a half of tank,but you definatly have to have some gas or it wont run very well,if you dont have premix you can add 2 gallons instead

 

oh and i thought it was 7 dollars a gallon but it ended up being 1.58

 

how did the car run?

 

wouldn't the testors see that as odd that the HC's dropped so much?? or don't they really care? so we don't have this in MI so i don't know how that works.

 

they're pretty laid back... at least in Nashville.

 

thats awesome. Here in wasington you get a car that is older than 20 years and you don't have to go through emissions anymore!!

 

Anyone out there in Vermont? Wondering if they have emissions testing up there...

 

Do a google search for Vermont Dept of Motor Vehicles and look for ther registration requirements.

BTW your rear right tire needs some air...

 

-sigh- You should see the other side... sadly, that's the side effect of letting a car sit for over a year. Bad rear rotor.

All they say on their site is that they test OBDII, but nothing about the more exhaustive test used some places...

 

I have a friend from Vermont (i know, they're rare).... lemme email him and I'll let you know.

 

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The car has to be 25 or older in wasington in order to bypas the emissions test forever .


Dan

 

I tought that if you ran alcohol for fuel it would detiorate all of the rubber it touches. That's why Holley makes special carbs for alcohol +filters & fuel lines have to be compatible for alcohol use. just wondering.

 

I remember hearing that as well. Dan? Can you help us out here? Probably ok for the short time you would be using it right?

 

if you used straight alcohol than you might have a problem BUT if you did it just for the emissions test than you won't have any fuel problems.

Dan

 

Thanks delrx7 and dan atkins for sharing that info. I gotta do
the emmisions on my SE in March. Sounds a lot cheaper than
giving the emmisions guy $20 under the table.

 

I used to pay the emissions guy too when we had it here in FLorida a few years ago. You know they did a study here and it turned out that it was a waste of taxpayers money to operate these testing facilities. Think about it, there is a very very small percentage of modified cars like ours compared to all the other modern cars on the road. I'd say conservatively, less than 1%. Most of these newer cars pass easily, so why should the state pay millions to operate these emissions facilties. It is a waste of taxpayers money and as a consequence a loss of productivity, because we use up our time to go there.

 

So mixing 3 gallons of methanol with half a tank of gas will be ok then? Would I need to drain what's left in the tank after the test or will it be dilluted enough?