CP Racing R&P kit - New Version - Part II
10-04-04, 08:15 PM
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CP Racing R&P kit - New Version - Part II
Well I got a chance to compare the "New and Improved" Rack and Pinion kit from CP today.
Went over to Pauls and got them side by side, and compared the fit, the turning radius, and all the other improvments to the rack.
And everyone will be glad to know the results.
So this comparison is between the first ones that came out, and the new ones just released, which mind you I waited over 4 months for cause of all the new improvements.
Are yah ready? at the edge of your seat? curious? how much better is it?
Scroll down..... as the tension builds for the results.......
almost!!
The "New and improved rack" comes with a new stlye sticker!
Thats right! the "BLEEP'N" did not do a damn thing to it.
only the sticker has changed, I waited 4 months for the same damn thing.
You heard it here first, of course you already knew CP was full of it, now you
are hearing from "MAX7"
CP Racing is the worst piece of **** company I have ever delt with.
CP Racing is a rip off, they are a scam.
Oh yah, that light kit they sell. Check the price on those lights for it
CP's price $250 for 4 lights (For the lights, not just the housing)
Internet $80 for 4 lights <- its true dozens of places.
Yup, that is right, CP charges $160 more for the Hella lights than if you bought them yourself. So I guess its $20 a bolt to install them for yah, what a deal.
As you may of noticed I'm rather pissed right now. Chris has lied to me, and the RX-7 people for one last time.
I can't belive I had to post this, but I want everyone to know how I truly
feel about CP Racing.
There, it has been said, I don't recomend anything CP to any 7 owner...
Oh, thier new sticker is pretty nice compared to thier old one. But never will a CP racing sticker go on my car, HELL NO!
Thanks for reading, you may resume your forum reading
Went over to Pauls and got them side by side, and compared the fit, the turning radius, and all the other improvments to the rack.
And everyone will be glad to know the results.
So this comparison is between the first ones that came out, and the new ones just released, which mind you I waited over 4 months for cause of all the new improvements.
Are yah ready? at the edge of your seat? curious? how much better is it?
Scroll down..... as the tension builds for the results.......
almost!!
The "New and improved rack" comes with a new stlye sticker!
Thats right! the "BLEEP'N" did not do a damn thing to it.
only the sticker has changed, I waited 4 months for the same damn thing.
You heard it here first, of course you already knew CP was full of it, now you
are hearing from "MAX7"
CP Racing is the worst piece of **** company I have ever delt with.
CP Racing is a rip off, they are a scam.
Oh yah, that light kit they sell. Check the price on those lights for it
CP's price $250 for 4 lights (For the lights, not just the housing)
Internet $80 for 4 lights <- its true dozens of places.
Yup, that is right, CP charges $160 more for the Hella lights than if you bought them yourself. So I guess its $20 a bolt to install them for yah, what a deal.
As you may of noticed I'm rather pissed right now. Chris has lied to me, and the RX-7 people for one last time.
I can't belive I had to post this, but I want everyone to know how I truly
feel about CP Racing.
There, it has been said, I don't recomend anything CP to any 7 owner...
Oh, thier new sticker is pretty nice compared to thier old one. But never will a CP racing sticker go on my car, HELL NO!
Thanks for reading, you may resume your forum reading
10-04-04, 08:26 PM
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love the braaaap
I never really read much about the R&P kit. From what I heard, its a marginal improvement over stock. Hardly worth the price. As for the lights, just a waste of money. The stockers look MUCH better.
10-04-04, 08:44 PM
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Damn, I don't think i've ever seen you post a bad thing in your life Max7, you must be pissed. WTF is up with CP saying the kit is now "improved" if its the same friggin thing, those guys do sound like a joke. I'd like to see what CP would say in defense of this, probably not much....
10-04-04, 08:47 PM
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Banned. I got OWNED!!!
Did you ask CP about this? I'd like to see the whole set of e-mails. What did they promise you?
A lot of the "slow" feeling of the rack CP uses is because it's slower than stock in the center, the initial 1/4 turn in either direction. Did you look at the travel vs input at various intervals?
Either way, you're in for a pound, so to speak. So why not make the best of it and have a custom lower shaft made with better u-joints and a built-in steering quickener? Oh yeah and make extra one for me.
Oh, btw, CP says they shipped my "big brake kit" and rear wheel adapters today. No tracking number but I'm confident they're on their way. I'll take some good pics when I get the parts.
A lot of the "slow" feeling of the rack CP uses is because it's slower than stock in the center, the initial 1/4 turn in either direction. Did you look at the travel vs input at various intervals?
Either way, you're in for a pound, so to speak. So why not make the best of it and have a custom lower shaft made with better u-joints and a built-in steering quickener? Oh yeah and make extra one for me.
Oh, btw, CP says they shipped my "big brake kit" and rear wheel adapters today. No tracking number but I'm confident they're on their way. I'll take some good pics when I get the parts.
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10-04-04, 08:52 PM
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Banned. I got OWNED!!!
I'm serious about the shaft. I can't do it because I don' t have a spare rack and car to take measurements and stuff. I doubt seriously it would cost more than $150-200 to have the shaft made and the quickeners are $150.
10-04-04, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bouis
A lot of the "slow" feeling of the rack CP uses is because it's slower than stock in the center, the initial 1/4 turn in either direction. Did you look at the travel vs input at various intervals?
I can think of several ways this can be improved upon. Step 1 is a Howe steering quickener, but I'm told these need regular (frequent?) servicing to keep them slop free. Should be interesting to try and install, given space constraints. Step 2 is double U-joints instead of the single joints. Pick up an issue of Street Rodder and check 'em out, the street rod guys have to deal with all sorts of weirdities when they're trying to stuff a wide engine and modern accoutrements in a narrow 30's body. (Speaking of which... re-engineering the under-floor brake system in a Ford V-8 in order to accomodate a true dual exhaust, SUCKS ROCKS... but the engine "should" be putting out close to 500hp at the crank so the effort is worthwhile. Hopefully.) Plus, if you're concerned with such things, practically everything is available heavily polished, or any other finish you'd prefer (including plain).
10-04-04, 09:34 PM
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you guys should see their triangulated FC strut tower bar. IT IS A PIECE OF ****!!!... 3 PROBLEMS i could think of that makes it the shittiest FC suspension bar. Im not gonna mention them but all i could say is that DONT BUY ANY BARS FROM CP RACING. Chris is a big fat liar!..He is no thief in my book just a big fat liar!
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10-04-04, 10:05 PM
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Banned. I got OWNED!!!
I'm pretty sure that not all R&Ps are fixed ratio. But if that's the case, is the stock box variable ratio? Edit: Yes it is.
10-04-04, 10:24 PM
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Ya know, the guy sucks royal ****! I am not pleased with the light kit. I find myself wanting to modify it. I was lied to over and over again. This guy makes me sick to my stomach. My light kit was also supposed to be new and improved...
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From: "CP RACING & DESIGNS" <ccampitelli@bellnet.ca> [Add to Address Book] [View Source]
To: <ckrall3@comcast.net>
Subject: cp racing order
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:54:50 +0000
Mr. Krall,
sorry for this horrible delay, we are in the midst of switching suppliers for materials on the light kit. Once this is completed you will get you kit plus a refund for the saving you see by switching. Will also give you 20% off any other item we produce and same week shipping as compensation. Your patience regarding this matter is appreciated.
We have been trying to email you for sometime now, however the address we have for you is not working,ckrawll3@comcast.net. Please be sure to notify if this goes through.
CP RACING & DESIGNS
1440 Tottenham rd
Tottenham, Ontario
L0G 1W0
905-936-5151
www.cpracing.ca
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He did offer me some money back, but that was because I was a COMPLETE ******* RAGING *******! However, I declined a refund with the understanding the kit was built right, and because I outbid and won 4 of his auctions with no intent to pay, just to get his attention..... And it worked. I sell on ebay, so I know the charges that I cost him.
In the end, I should have taken the $100.00 he offered....
+++++++ quote
We have been trying to email you for sometime now, however the address we have for you is not working,ckrawll3@comcast.net. Please be sure to notify if this goes through.
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Bullshit! He ******* knew, and claimed he fucked up on the first shipment as well....... You know as well as I do, usps will get the package to you even if it is ONE LETTER OFF! I told him, " Look, don't ******* lie to me, just stop while your ahead"... So, **** HIM! EAT DOG **** CHRIS!!!!!
Regards,
Chris K
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From: "CP RACING & DESIGNS" <ccampitelli@bellnet.ca> [Add to Address Book] [View Source]
To: <ckrall3@comcast.net>
Subject: cp racing order
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:54:50 +0000
Mr. Krall,
sorry for this horrible delay, we are in the midst of switching suppliers for materials on the light kit. Once this is completed you will get you kit plus a refund for the saving you see by switching. Will also give you 20% off any other item we produce and same week shipping as compensation. Your patience regarding this matter is appreciated.
We have been trying to email you for sometime now, however the address we have for you is not working,ckrawll3@comcast.net. Please be sure to notify if this goes through.
CP RACING & DESIGNS
1440 Tottenham rd
Tottenham, Ontario
L0G 1W0
905-936-5151
www.cpracing.ca
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He did offer me some money back, but that was because I was a COMPLETE ******* RAGING *******! However, I declined a refund with the understanding the kit was built right, and because I outbid and won 4 of his auctions with no intent to pay, just to get his attention..... And it worked. I sell on ebay, so I know the charges that I cost him.
In the end, I should have taken the $100.00 he offered....
+++++++ quote
We have been trying to email you for sometime now, however the address we have for you is not working,ckrawll3@comcast.net. Please be sure to notify if this goes through.
+++++++
Bullshit! He ******* knew, and claimed he fucked up on the first shipment as well....... You know as well as I do, usps will get the package to you even if it is ONE LETTER OFF! I told him, " Look, don't ******* lie to me, just stop while your ahead"... So, **** HIM! EAT DOG **** CHRIS!!!!!
Regards,
Chris K
10-04-04, 10:34 PM
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Some emails --
When they made the driver side light kit backasswards....
Date: 7/24/2004 14:02:06 -0400
From: "CP RACING & DESIGNS" <ccampitelli@bellnet.ca>
To: "Max" <rx-7@rx-7.org>
Subject: Re: CP RACING All headers
Those pictures did not work.....backwards you say..hmm. If little material
is left after drilling, use a small washer.
Glad to hear they came safely, sometimes UPS is brutal. Keep me up to
date.
CP RACING & DESIGNS
1440 Tottenham rd
Tottenham, Ontario
L0G 1W0
905-936-5151
www.cpracing.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Max" <rx-7@rx-7.org>
To: "CP RACING & DESIGNS" <ccampitelli@bellnet.ca>
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: CP RACING
> Hey guys,
>
> Package arrived safely on Friday.
> Having a problem with the install, the holes on top that go to the
> factory holes don't line up, looks like you put a left side on the
> right side.
>
> http://max7.rx-7.org/projects/Flush-...dlights006.jpg
> http://max7.rx-7.org/projects/Flush-...dlights007.jpg
>
> going to drill them out but the one side will be close not much meat
> there to cut into.......
>
> back to work......
>
>
When they made the driver side light kit backasswards....
Date: 7/24/2004 14:02:06 -0400
From: "CP RACING & DESIGNS" <ccampitelli@bellnet.ca>
To: "Max" <rx-7@rx-7.org>
Subject: Re: CP RACING All headers
Those pictures did not work.....backwards you say..hmm. If little material
is left after drilling, use a small washer.
Glad to hear they came safely, sometimes UPS is brutal. Keep me up to
date.
CP RACING & DESIGNS
1440 Tottenham rd
Tottenham, Ontario
L0G 1W0
905-936-5151
www.cpracing.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Max" <rx-7@rx-7.org>
To: "CP RACING & DESIGNS" <ccampitelli@bellnet.ca>
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: CP RACING
> Hey guys,
>
> Package arrived safely on Friday.
> Having a problem with the install, the holes on top that go to the
> factory holes don't line up, looks like you put a left side on the
> right side.
>
> http://max7.rx-7.org/projects/Flush-...dlights006.jpg
> http://max7.rx-7.org/projects/Flush-...dlights007.jpg
>
> going to drill them out but the one side will be close not much meat
> there to cut into.......
>
> back to work......
>
>
10-04-04, 10:35 PM
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When 2 of the lights cracked
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Date: 8/3/2004 12:48:19 -0400
From: "CP RACING & DESIGNS" <ccampitelli@bellnet.ca>
To: "Max" <rx-7@rx-7.org>
Subject: Re: CP RACING - We have a problem with Flush Lights. All headers
Hey Mark, ???? all four are cracked? or just 2? Not a heat issue as we
have tons of cars in florida, cali, arizona, running this set up and have no
reported issues. Must have been a damaged or defective batch from the
manufacturer. Let me know how many this happened to and I will zap you down
replacements asap. As for the rack we are pretty much there. Should have
yours out this week. Talk soon
CP RACING & DESIGNS
1440 Tottenham rd
Tottenham, Ontario
L0G 1W0
905-936-5151
www.cpracing.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Max" <rx-7@rx-7.org>
To: "CP RACING & DESIGNS" <ccampitelli@bellnet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: CP RACING - We have a problem with Flush Lights.
> Hiya Chris,
>
> I have found that both lenses have cracked on the lights,
> they appear to be cracked the same way, outer edge
> from top to side at angle. Could this be a heat issue? I have been
> wanting to adjust them for light pattern but now afraid I might
> crack them further by trying to move them. whats the next step?
>
> http://max7.rx-7.org/projects/Flush-...ght-Crack1.JPG
> http://max7.rx-7.org/projects/Flush-...ght-Crack2.JPG
> http://max7.rx-7.org/projects/Flush-...ght-Crack3.JPG
> http://max7.rx-7.org/projects/Flush-...ght-Crack4.JPG
>
> Thanks, Mark
>
> Any projected dates on the improved R&P? <--- notice date of email.....
>
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Date: 8/3/2004 12:48:19 -0400
From: "CP RACING & DESIGNS" <ccampitelli@bellnet.ca>
To: "Max" <rx-7@rx-7.org>
Subject: Re: CP RACING - We have a problem with Flush Lights. All headers
Hey Mark, ???? all four are cracked? or just 2? Not a heat issue as we
have tons of cars in florida, cali, arizona, running this set up and have no
reported issues. Must have been a damaged or defective batch from the
manufacturer. Let me know how many this happened to and I will zap you down
replacements asap. As for the rack we are pretty much there. Should have
yours out this week. Talk soon
CP RACING & DESIGNS
1440 Tottenham rd
Tottenham, Ontario
L0G 1W0
905-936-5151
www.cpracing.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Max" <rx-7@rx-7.org>
To: "CP RACING & DESIGNS" <ccampitelli@bellnet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: CP RACING - We have a problem with Flush Lights.
> Hiya Chris,
>
> I have found that both lenses have cracked on the lights,
> they appear to be cracked the same way, outer edge
> from top to side at angle. Could this be a heat issue? I have been
> wanting to adjust them for light pattern but now afraid I might
> crack them further by trying to move them. whats the next step?
>
> http://max7.rx-7.org/projects/Flush-...ght-Crack1.JPG
> http://max7.rx-7.org/projects/Flush-...ght-Crack2.JPG
> http://max7.rx-7.org/projects/Flush-...ght-Crack3.JPG
> http://max7.rx-7.org/projects/Flush-...ght-Crack4.JPG
>
> Thanks, Mark
>
> Any projected dates on the improved R&P? <--- notice date of email.....
>
10-04-04, 10:37 PM
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Some of the links I sent Chris telling him how overpriced he is on the lights....
> http://www.bestdarnparts.com/hella1300.html
>
> http://www.autobarn.net/helopperdriv1.html
>
>
> http://www.levineautoparts.com/helopmod13dr.html
In his phone convo he said he would refund me the overcharge, but could not tell you guys that.
> http://www.bestdarnparts.com/hella1300.html
>
> http://www.autobarn.net/helopperdriv1.html
>
>
> http://www.levineautoparts.com/helopmod13dr.html
In his phone convo he said he would refund me the overcharge, but could not tell you guys that.
10-04-04, 10:38 PM
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An email about where my rack was.....
Date: 9/16/2004 23:34:04 -0400
From: "CP RACING & DESIGNS" <ccampitelli@bellnet.ca>
To: "Max" <rx-7@rx-7.org>
Subject: Re: CP RACING - R&P delays All headers
??? Was long since sent out...this is more of the UPS #*&$%^#(* we have been
dealing with for the last while. Resend me your address asap and I will
send one out 1st thing in the AM with Canada post. Thanks man
CP RACING & DESIGNS
1440 Tottenham rd
Tottenham, Ontario
L0G 1W0
905-936-5151
www.cpracing.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Max" <rx-7@rx-7.org>
To: "CP RACING & DESIGNS" <ccampitelli@bellnet.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: CP RACING - R&P delays
> "Date: 8/3/2004 12:48:19 -0400
> ................As for the rack we are pretty much there. Should have
> yours out this week. Talk soon"
>
>
> Its been 6 weeks since it was suppose to be on its way.
>
> Any updates?
Date: 9/16/2004 23:34:04 -0400
From: "CP RACING & DESIGNS" <ccampitelli@bellnet.ca>
To: "Max" <rx-7@rx-7.org>
Subject: Re: CP RACING - R&P delays All headers
??? Was long since sent out...this is more of the UPS #*&$%^#(* we have been
dealing with for the last while. Resend me your address asap and I will
send one out 1st thing in the AM with Canada post. Thanks man
CP RACING & DESIGNS
1440 Tottenham rd
Tottenham, Ontario
L0G 1W0
905-936-5151
www.cpracing.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Max" <rx-7@rx-7.org>
To: "CP RACING & DESIGNS" <ccampitelli@bellnet.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: CP RACING - R&P delays
> "Date: 8/3/2004 12:48:19 -0400
> ................As for the rack we are pretty much there. Should have
> yours out this week. Talk soon"
>
>
> Its been 6 weeks since it was suppose to be on its way.
>
> Any updates?
10-04-04, 10:39 PM
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Then the lies start again. Oh its an upgraded kit eh?
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Date: 9/17/2004 02:12:27 -0400
From: "CP RACING & DESIGNS" <ccampitelli@bellnet.ca>
To: "Max" <rx-7@rx-7.org>
Subject: Re: CP RACING - R&P delays All headers
done...leaves in the AM. How are things down there??
P.S- your kit is the upgraded kit, full factory lock to lock.
CP RACING & DESIGNS
1440 Tottenham rd
Tottenham, Ontario
L0G 1W0
905-936-5151
www.cpracing.ca
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Date: 9/17/2004 02:12:27 -0400
From: "CP RACING & DESIGNS" <ccampitelli@bellnet.ca>
To: "Max" <rx-7@rx-7.org>
Subject: Re: CP RACING - R&P delays All headers
done...leaves in the AM. How are things down there??
P.S- your kit is the upgraded kit, full factory lock to lock.
CP RACING & DESIGNS
1440 Tottenham rd
Tottenham, Ontario
L0G 1W0
905-936-5151
www.cpracing.ca
10-04-04, 10:46 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I still like the R&P kit, it's just not what I was told or the 4+ month wait.
I found a place that sells a faster rack upgrade
QUAIFE VW GOLF QUICK RACK & PINION KIT
Fits MK1 or MK2 Golf
MK1 3.1 turns, lock to lock
MK2 2.9 turns, lock to lock
So I might look into that, but still won't help turning radius.
Still mad though, I hate being lied to, specialy when you spend over $1150.00 with a company.
I found a place that sells a faster rack upgrade
QUAIFE VW GOLF QUICK RACK & PINION KIT
Fits MK1 or MK2 Golf
MK1 3.1 turns, lock to lock
MK2 2.9 turns, lock to lock
So I might look into that, but still won't help turning radius.
Still mad though, I hate being lied to, specialy when you spend over $1150.00 with a company.
10-04-04, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by hornbm
Man I wanted to get the rack and pinion kit but now im having second thoughts....
It seemed so promissing, and my box is so done for anyway, as are my tie rods
It seemed so promissing, and my box is so done for anyway, as are my tie rods
10-05-04, 01:48 AM
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Banned. I got OWNED!!!
I tried searching for that quick ratio Golf rack, but it seems to be a UK website.
10-05-04, 01:52 AM
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I found a US supplier awhile back, when I was trying to figure out what rack I had from the model number.
I'll have to try to dig it up tommorow (at work now) but the kit was just 2 new "gears" That I guess you would replace inside the unit.
I'll have to try to dig it up tommorow (at work now) but the kit was just 2 new "gears" That I guess you would replace inside the unit.
10-05-04, 02:10 AM
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Banned. I got OWNED!!!
How much did it go for?
Anyone ever taken a steering rack apart? I'm not sure how easy or difficult this would be.
Anyone ever taken a steering rack apart? I'm not sure how easy or difficult this would be.
10-05-04, 03:19 AM
#22
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
$180 for a couple gears. Digging the money pit a little deeper...sigh.
10-05-04, 10:08 AM
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Its funny you should mention taking a rack apart, cause back when CP first announced the RP kit they offered a "stage 1" kit that allowed you to supply your own rack. I fully intened to get the stage 1 kit and bought a rabbit rack on ebay. I took it partially apart to clean and regrease it, not very hard, a few bolts and clips and out she comes. The rack was nice and tight, and I couldn't wait to get the rest of the kit and install it on the car, next thing I know the CP site only lists the way to expensive stage 2 kit, wtf. Apparently the rack needs to be modified to fit in the tube or something, and people were messing that part up and giving CP grief about it. That right there turned me off to the whole thing, now i had a rack and no use for it, and the only way to get the kit was to spend $650. What a joke. haha, dammit I forgot all about that, now I'm pissed off again...