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Old Mar 11, 2012 | 01:36 AM
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Carter 4070 man enough?

Will my carter 4070 fuel pump be man enough for an 12a bridge port with an ida? simple yes/no please

if not why not? surely the 72gph would be enough
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Old Mar 11, 2012 | 10:06 AM
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Not sure what pressure an IDA requires but yes that carter should be fine. I cant remember the one I have but its probably the 4070 as well. It keeps up with my stock Nikki plus nitrous system (or, it will once I install larger fuel lines).
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Old Mar 11, 2012 | 11:42 AM
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Ahh cheers fella
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Old Mar 11, 2012 | 02:23 PM
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i forget which one i have also (its the 72gph, 6 psi one), and it should be enough fuel for a bridge, but it doesn't actually flow anywhere near 72 gph, or 6 psi when its installed in the car.

mine does 4.3psi and about 1300cc/30 seconds, which is enough, but barely. the plus is that you don't need the fuel pressure regulator....
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Old Mar 11, 2012 | 02:28 PM
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buy this one instead: Mallory 4070M - Mallory Comp Series
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Old Mar 11, 2012 | 03:49 PM
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nope!

rule of thumb...even in piston engines you need half the gallons per hour for the horsepower you want to make...expl; 300 hp, you will need 150 gallons.

bridgeported engine 240-280-ish horsepower...you need at least 120 gallons.
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 03:46 PM
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i forget which one i have also (its the 72gph, 6 psi one), and it should be enough fuel for a bridge, but it doesn't actually flow anywhere near 72 gph, or 6 psi when its installed in the car.

mine does 4.3psi and about 1300cc/30 seconds, which is enough, but barely. the plus is that you don't need the fuel pressure regulator....
Ah, but do you think it would if the supply line was larger?
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 04:35 PM
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I have the 4070 as well on my 13B with a DHLA48, i run into fuel starvation issues at WOT for more than 7-8 seconds (usually when i hit about 80 from a dead stop) Mine flow tested about 50gph set at 3.5psi. I bought the holley red now but havent installed it yet. Also the carter is SIGNIFICANTLY louder, not that it bothers me, and the mounting system isnt all that great.
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 05:11 PM
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Ah, but do you think it would if the supply line was larger?
i'm not sure, it actually does flow enough. i also hate the way it fits in an SA/FB, so its not worth re-plumbing the car.

i think if i do redo the fuel pump, i think i'm going to use a walbro, it looks like it'll mount much more cleanly
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Old Mar 13, 2012 | 10:38 AM
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o bollocks, well will have to use it for now and see how it goes, i may get larger fuel bowls in the carbie jut to ease its pain.

would larger lines help? do i use my return line?
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 10:26 PM
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For what it is worth we use two of them on the EP cars - one pump for each fuel pickup in the cell. The pumps are teed together with check valves to prevent one pump from pushing fuel past the other. These cars have 13B street port engines with a Weber IDA fitted wth 42mm chokes . The supply line is either a -6 or -8 hose with no return lines. This setup has served us all pretty well. The Carter Pumps last allot longer than a holley pump - about 5-6 years.
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Old Mar 16, 2012 | 08:11 PM
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Like J9, im running carter carter, i think its 4594 (7psi), in my RX-3 with 13-b street port, ida 43 venturies. Motor is happy even above 9k rpm.

Mustanghammer gave me a flashback of racing beat dual facet for dellorto. That darn thing was bad *** for its size



Originally Posted by mustanghammer
For what it is worth we use two of them on the EP cars - one pump for each fuel pickup in the cell. The pumps are teed together with check valves to prevent one pump from pushing fuel past the other. These cars have 13B street port engines with a Weber IDA fitted wth 42mm chokes . The supply line is either a -6 or -8 hose with no return lines. This setup has served us all pretty well. The Carter Pumps last allot longer than a holley pump - about 5-6 years.
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Old Mar 16, 2012 | 10:16 PM
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I double checked and I also have the 4579 Carter. The price was the same for both the 4070 and the 4579 on Summit racing so I bought the higher pressure one "just in case I needed it". No idea if that makes it better lol.
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Old Mar 17, 2012 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Siraniko
Like J9, im running carter carter, i think its 4594 (7psi), in my RX-3 with 13-b street port, ida 43 venturies. Motor is happy even above 9k rpm.

Mustanghammer gave me a flashback of racing beat dual facet for dellorto. That darn thing was bad *** for its size
I still have my dual facet setup after replacing it with a Carter. I may go back to it
again. Its very, very quiet.
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Old Mar 19, 2012 | 10:23 AM
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use guys are using carters for street ports, oh **** may need bigger, have put in bigger fuel lines 8mm id, for the carb and getting fuel bowls extended as well, and hopfully that keep the juice flowing.
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Old Mar 19, 2012 | 10:44 AM
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use guys are using carters for street ports, oh **** may need bigger, have put in bigger fuel lines 8mm id, for the carb and getting fuel bowls extended as well, and hopfully that keep the juice flowing.
i'm using one on a P port, and for that mazda gave me specs, i think they was 1500cc/30 seconds, and 4.3 psi.

the carter does, installed in the car, with stock lines something like 1300cc@4.3psi so its close enough since need to run with a buttplug to pass sound anyway.

and if you do the math its nowhere close to 72gph...
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