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11-18-05, 10:56 AM
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Car Trouble
My 84 GLS-SE with a 12A carb motor is having problems. I have an Optima Battery, new plugs, wire coil etc. Has ran fine since acquiring it last Dec. Had carb issues like kept flooding alot but using the ATF in the small barrells of nikki carb and it would crank right up. Now it does not seem to want to start. it turns over but does not seem to have enough juice to start. I even tried to jumpstart it but it still will not crank. Carb is getting fuel. I just got another carb and will attempt to switch it out this weekend. Car has all the amenities but paint is looking faded, If I cannot get it running It will probably be for sale because I am getting ready to have a left knee replacement due to 8 previous surgeries on it from 23yrs in the Army and injuries sustained to it from the service. I still have my 85 with the supercharger but that is in storage and will be for my son when he turns 18 he is 16 now. Can anybody suggest what might be wrong. There are no mechanics where I live that will work on the rotary engine. Nearest one that I know of is Jose in Shreveport,LA Thanks,Gary
11-18-05, 12:52 PM
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It is turning over but even with the optima battery and jumper cables from a running car it seems to wind down like the starter is not being able to turn it and voltage goes down. I turn off the key and the turn it own and the votageage goes back over the center to right. Does this help you?
11-18-05, 10:11 PM
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Could it be a possiblity of a bad ground, or a bare wire somewhere between the battery and starter? Sounds like there is something draining your juice. I just had a problem with getting no power, and it turned out to be some insane corrosion on my battery leads. Check your battery cables, is the most advice I have.
11-18-05, 11:05 PM
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I have had nothing but trouble since the little bastards who tried to steal my my stereo system and cut my alarm wires. I took the car to the best shop in my area and charge me over $300 to find nothing. I told them that when I tried to start it sometimes it will not turn over and the flashers come on and clicking noise. SO I have to press the button on the remote and then it will turn over. IS there someone in my area that wants to take alook be my guess. I just got in a crate of blue crabs and boiled some tonight and the rest for the weekend with some shrimp that goes for to the pound. Have some porterhouse and Tbone steaks. Thanks,GAry
11-19-05, 09:06 AM
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Check, clean and tighten the battery ground cable at the ground points. You might also want to pull the starter and have it checked, possibly the solenoid is going out. The last possibility that I can think of is your alarm system is screwed or incorrectly rewired after the theft attempt. Completely remove the alarm system box, check the wiring per the fsm and see how that works. Once it's running ok, reinstall the alarm and try again. I had a similar problem with a nissan truck, and it turned out to be the alarm was bad, so after doing the easy stuff (cables and starter check) move on to the alarm system.
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11-19-05, 10:41 AM
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I would replace the battery cables. Pretty common problem in these cars. I made my own from auto parts stuff. Sometimes the cables look fine, but there is corrosion hidden down under the sheathing. I bought a GSL-SE, that had low compression diagnosed by a sports car shop. The girl sold it to me for $500. It would not start unless you pull started it. I checked the compression and it was fine. I replaced the battery cables and the oil, and it fired right up. Never had another problem with it.
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11-19-05, 10:57 PM
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HAs new cables, new starter, so it has to be something with the alarm or something electrical so i will try to find it this week and if i can not find it then i will sell it. Still have my 85 but just got another 88 Quest, auto tranny, 52k original miles that has my attention at the moment. Thanks for the info will post later on what i find or did not find. Later,Gary
11-22-05, 09:30 PM
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Check the cables again and went over every wire coming fron the battery, coils, alt, nothing. motor turns but carb acts like it is not getting any fuel to it but it is. Pulled the incoming fuel line off carb and fuel is going to carb. Could it be that the since it has flooded so much and I had to use the ATF several times to unflood it that the carb is bad. I changed the plugs everytime that I did that and also have changed the oil. I trie to find where the alarm wires are but whoever cut them did so where I can see nothing. The oly thing I see is a clear plastic box that has a light in it and it lights up when I lift it. Anybody in my area that can come take alook, Alexandria, La. Thanks,Gary
11-25-05, 10:51 PM
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Still have not found the problem I am going to change the distrib cap but the one on it is only about a year old, will check plugs also. Engine turns but justwill not crank.
11-25-05, 11:51 PM
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Why do you have a 12a carbed engine in your GSL-SE? I mean I've heard of people putting 13b FI engines into their GS, GSL, but never the other way around... You'll confuse the hell out of anybody you sell it to, for sure.
Replace all your ignition components, fuel filter and make sure your battery is well charged.
Take the plugs out. If they're wet, you're probably flooded bad. Rotaries don't unflood themselves with time, so you have to do it for them.
Take all four plugs out, dry them off and put them aside (a ligher or torch works well for drying them)
Disconnect your leading and trailing coil wires from the top of the dist cap (don't let them hang down, we're going to create gas fumes and don't want them to ignite)
Spin the engine for a good ten seconds to get the excess fuel out.
Put your dry plugs back in, hook everything up and start the bugger!
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Replace all your ignition components, fuel filter and make sure your battery is well charged.
Take the plugs out. If they're wet, you're probably flooded bad. Rotaries don't unflood themselves with time, so you have to do it for them.
Take all four plugs out, dry them off and put them aside (a ligher or torch works well for drying them)
Disconnect your leading and trailing coil wires from the top of the dist cap (don't let them hang down, we're going to create gas fumes and don't want them to ignite)
Spin the engine for a good ten seconds to get the excess fuel out.
Put your dry plugs back in, hook everything up and start the bugger!
Jon
11-26-05, 11:01 AM
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Has no badges on it. The (lawyer) key word, I got it from said that the 13b engine was taken out and a 12A was put in. So how do you tell if it is a GSL or GLS-SE, the car is just like my 85 GLS-SE that has the supercharger in it. It has all the power options, lsd, disc brakes all around, the car is loaded. I have had the car for about a year and the only prob was sometimes it was hard to start because of the carb getting flooded, but ever since the little bastards cut the alarm wiring on it it will not crank. I just replaced the plugs,wires, has a new optima battery, fuel filter, fuel pump works great and on Friday the rebuilt nikki carb will be here.I am going to give myself another month but with my back messed up from the spinal cord stimulator the Army put in wrong and my highly anticipated knee replacement and the lack of any repair shops that knows how to work on a rotary motor, I am seriously thinking about selling it. I have some pics of it but they are in the wrong format to be posted on here so when it quits raining i will take some more.
11-26-05, 11:13 AM
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I'm tending towards a fuel problem, definately do the deflooding ritual, remove plugs, crank out old fuel, replace with clean/new plugs. Change your fuel filter, cheap and easy.
GSL-SE are the only cars with the 114.3 lug nuts spacing, also run 14" wheels, GSL also have disc brake LSD rear end.
GSL-SE are the only cars with the 114.3 lug nuts spacing, also run 14" wheels, GSL also have disc brake LSD rear end.
11-26-05, 10:01 PM
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It is not a fuel issue unless it is inside the carb. It does have the 114.3 lug nuts but has 15"tires and rims, lsd,4 wheel disc brakes, Rotary performance in Garland did the engine swap, has a racing beat exhaust all the way. She looks good bt needs a new paint job to be 100% . The old paint is faded but with no major problems, mercedes silver. If anybody is in the area feel free to come and diagnose the problem. I have only seen two other 1st gens in town, a 79 and a 84 GLS-SE with the 13B fuel injected motor but neither one can come close to this one.I just aquired another Conquest, 88 with auto trans, 52k original miles that I am going to be spending alot of time on it and finally got all my parts in to work on my 75 Midget(daily driver when finished). Will post more later,Gary
11-27-05, 08:56 PM
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Well, I pulled the plugs, unhooked the igniters turned the motor put new plugs in rehoooked the igniters and tried to start it but still the same. Motor is turning over but then it drags down even with a new optima battery and cables hooked to it from a running car. Pulled the wires that the alarm has to be hooked up to and still engine is dragging. I am having a mechanic look at it tomorrow and if he can not find out the problem i am going to sell it or put a V8 Mustang Saleen motor in it next year. PM me your address and I will send you some pics if interested in car. Thanks,Gary
12-26-05, 09:59 PM
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Just had the starter rebuilt and put in, turned the motor several times, put in new plugs, new optima battery, and tried to start it, sond like it wanted too but it still will not crank. I think it has to be the carb. I have a rebuilt one that will be here next week so if that does not do it I might just sell it or trade it to Jose for one of his. Thanks,Gary
12-31-05, 01:50 AM
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Well finally got the car started smoked like hell for 30 minutes, was flooded really bad. With the short drawing the battery down and the starter weak it would not turn over and SO i kept putting the oil in the carb. Took car for a spin but it did not run right. When I pressed on the accel pedal the carb seem to bog down until I eased up a little and it built compression. Tach is not working either. I have a rebuilt carb coming so if the car is still acting up I do not know what else to do.
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