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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 12:00 PM
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Can somone tell me what 13b i have

Hey I was just wondering what exact 13b is in my car. It says 440300ars right next to 13b and then cdg below that.
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 12:09 PM
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I need more info.
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 12:09 PM
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yea thats the third gen of the first edition 13b, small ports with larger exhaust.

great find.
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 12:14 PM
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Wondering if its 4 port or 6 port. What info is needed?
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 12:25 PM
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does it have 3 intake ports or just 2? is it n/a or turbo?
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 12:30 PM
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Its non turbo, how do I see how many intake ports it has its assembled and running in a car.
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 12:55 PM
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take some pics
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 01:06 PM
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is it out of a GSL-SE? is it FI or carbed? pictures would help I.D. it faster
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 02:43 PM
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ebay link

this is the link from ebay where I bought the car.There is pics of the engine but there not to great. the car is a gsl the 13b was a swap.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...179770276&rd=1
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Old Dec 29, 2007 | 12:44 AM
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Well, it's an '86 or later engine. That's all I can tell from the pics. Can't tell whether it's S4, S5, 13BRE, S6, 4 port or 6 port.
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Old Dec 29, 2007 | 02:17 AM
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That's easy. It's a green kind.

Seriously, get some close-up pictures. If you can get a good shot of the back of the intermediate housing, just behind the oil filler, that's where you can sometimes find casting info. If you have a raised and machined section below the oil filler and just above the pan, then it's 84-up. If you have injector bosses cast into the center plate, it's 84-up. If you have a smooth top on the intermediate housing, it's 84-88, but if it has an EGR passage coming out the top, it's 89-91. The oil pan can tell us if it's 84-85 or 86-88. If there's no raised section under the oil filler for side-mount engine mounts, then it's either 74-78 or (more likely) just a bastard block with 12A irons and GSL-SE or old-school housings.

FWIW, irons and housings from pre-85 and 86-up aren't interchangable at all because the internal seals moved. It means that some parts can't be mixed and matched, although those internal seals aren't visible to us. It does narrow down the detective work, though.
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Old Jan 5, 2008 | 08:21 PM
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13b engine pics

Here are some better pictures of the 13b so if anyone can tell me what 13b it is that would be AWESOME
Attached Thumbnails Can somone tell me what 13b i have-13b-1.jpg   Can somone tell me what 13b i have-13b-2.jpg   Can somone tell me what 13b i have-13-3.jpg  
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Old Jan 5, 2008 | 08:42 PM
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Looks like a 6-port
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Old Jan 5, 2008 | 08:52 PM
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6 port

thats a 6 port engine
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Old Jan 5, 2008 | 11:31 PM
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Can you tell what year it is?
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Old Jan 6, 2008 | 12:26 AM
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13Bs were offered starting in '84. Looks to be an '84/'85. AFAIK, I've never known someone to carb a 13B out of a 2nd Gen.
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Old Jan 6, 2008 | 05:13 PM
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Looking ant the LIM, best guess is an S4. Never seen a UIM modded like that, has to be custom.
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Old Jan 6, 2008 | 06:07 PM
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I DEMAND....more pictures please.....lets see this turbo build up
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Old Jan 6, 2008 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by sstcabinboy
Hey I was just wondering what exact 13b is in my car. It says 440300ars right next to 13b and then cdg below that.
That is an easy answer......


Call Atkins Rotary and ask them, the engine you have was built by David ******* (CDG) at Atkins Rotary (ARS) if I remember how to decode the numbers correctly it was the 44th engine built in 2003 the engine number is 440300 with that number Atkins rotary should be able to look up the original invoice to the customer and tell you what it was.
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Old Jan 6, 2008 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 85 FB
13Bs were offered starting in '84. Looks to be an '84/'85. AFAIK, I've never known someone to carb a 13B out of a 2nd Gen.
I thought the same. I don't know...lol...My buddies s5 na is carb'd.. It's been done by many people..its cool
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Old Jan 6, 2008 | 09:45 PM
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The rotor housings are definitely 86 or newer. The center iron is most likely an S5 N/A but could possibly be S4 or S5 TII with an N/A oil filler neck installed. The LIM appears to be S4 N/A and the upper intake is...interesting!
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 04:50 PM
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I will see if I can get some info for you as it is too old of a # I may not have it on file anymore..

sstcabinboy : if there is any chance you have a name\shop to who I sold this engine too please let me have it and I will see what I can dig up for you on this engine..

Dan
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 08:31 PM
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Thats the first green rotary I have ever seen. It must lower the emissions on the car.
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Old Jan 10, 2008 | 03:18 AM
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The shop is called smoking joes racing and there in new york but I have no idea what any of there information is.
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Old Jan 10, 2008 | 05:34 AM
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Where's the injector bungs on the center iron? Do the S4's and newer engines have them in the same location as the SE's? I don't see them in those pics...

Is it possible that the LIM could be an SE's, and the center iron from a 12A to eliminate the injector bungs? I can't tell what's been done with the rods that connect to the aux. port sleeves, is it possible that they're plugged off? They obviously aren't wired open in the usual way and there's nothing protruding from the LIM to even suggest that they're still in there...

If I were you, I would pull that LIM and see what's happening under there before you continue with the turbo set-up. If the actuator rods are missing, make sure that the holes in the manifold where the rods should be sticking out are plugged well enough to stand the boost pressures you're planning on running. You may want to consider replacing both manifolds-the LIM with actuators and sleeves for low end torque and the RB UIM for a Holley carb. That UIM may not flow well-check it out and see, but I'd be the RB piece would be a worthwhile investment...
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