Calling all TII FB OWNERS..CRANKING NOT TURNING OVER :(
05-12-09, 04:35 PM
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Calling all TII FB OWNERS..CRANKING NOT TURNING OVER :(
Hey folks,
First off the support through this swap has been great.. Engine/tranny in, wiring done, fluids in..tried to turn her over, the first crank she turned over and ran for about 3secs. Bwoy was i happy, turned on the fuel pump (its stock se pump) tried to start again thinking i was good and nothing the car is just turning...I am getting spark and fuel but yet she is not turning over.
1. The car is not flooding even when i hold the pedal to the floor.
2. I dont have the air split sol. connected.
3. the fuel pressure resistor reg gets hot while cranking.
I checked the timing about 5times and the factory reset is good(its not jumping timing). i hear a swhooossshing sound in the intake manny on the lower intake side. batt has plenty of juice.
My engine wiring is connected to my TII main relay, so the fuel inj are supposed to be firing, and my soleniods are coming on i hear them clicking when the ign is turned on and off. i dont think the motor is popped it has low miles and the guy i bought the car from said it ran fine.( didnt hear it run myself though). i know, i know.....i checked the apexes seals when the motor was out of the car (looked through the spark plug holes and they are there intact. i have three strong pssst.
My thing is why it is not flooding at least?
First off the support through this swap has been great.. Engine/tranny in, wiring done, fluids in..tried to turn her over, the first crank she turned over and ran for about 3secs. Bwoy was i happy, turned on the fuel pump (its stock se pump) tried to start again thinking i was good and nothing the car is just turning...I am getting spark and fuel but yet she is not turning over.
1. The car is not flooding even when i hold the pedal to the floor.
2. I dont have the air split sol. connected.
3. the fuel pressure resistor reg gets hot while cranking.
I checked the timing about 5times and the factory reset is good(its not jumping timing). i hear a swhooossshing sound in the intake manny on the lower intake side. batt has plenty of juice.
My engine wiring is connected to my TII main relay, so the fuel inj are supposed to be firing, and my soleniods are coming on i hear them clicking when the ign is turned on and off. i dont think the motor is popped it has low miles and the guy i bought the car from said it ran fine.( didnt hear it run myself though). i know, i know.....i checked the apexes seals when the motor was out of the car (looked through the spark plug holes and they are there intact. i have three strong pssst.
My thing is why it is not flooding at least?
05-13-09, 12:22 AM
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no, thats what i dont understand.
The ecu is a N332, its a 87 TII motor with 115,200 miles on it. I just got back from checking it out some more. Performed the compresson test with a reg. compression tester with the valve out and it apears to be reading 88-90psi on both trailing and leading on rotor 1 as well as 2.
The ecu is a N332, its a 87 TII motor with 115,200 miles on it. I just got back from checking it out some more. Performed the compresson test with a reg. compression tester with the valve out and it apears to be reading 88-90psi on both trailing and leading on rotor 1 as well as 2.
05-13-09, 07:50 AM
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Do you have the MAF, and all the i/c piping hooked up? A lot of people get impatient and try to start it without the whole intake tract hooked up and that won't work, the MAF needs to see some vaccum to tell the injectors to fire (ask me how I know that one lol)
05-13-09, 05:25 PM
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LOL...i feel you on that..everything is connected. The O2 Sensor has a dedicated wire as i did see the original wire anywhere. The meter/fuel pump fuse in the fuse box (inside the car) has popped twice. I will be doing the circuit open relay, fuel pressure resistor relay, fuel pump run over( i used the 89 FSM for wiring). the port air solnd is not plugged up neither is the air bypass solnd. I dont think the injectors are spraying...oh but check this out. when i disconnect the gang plug from the ecu the injector pins have power but in the FSM it list output. is that right? is it sopposed to have power going to the ecu or coming from the ecu?
05-14-09, 01:20 PM
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Aaaaaaaahhhhhhh
Update.
I located the o2 sensor and reconnected the correct wire. Replace the two studs that broke off from over tighting. the car was leaking and stupid me tightened the bolts beyond spec and they snapped. they have been replaced i plugged everything back up and tried to start nothing only cranking. check the return line ( the fuel is being returned) but the car still is not flooding!!!! it doesnt look like the injectors have been messed with. ..this is really driving me crazy.
oh yeh did a compression test with a reg compression tester(valve out)
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I located the o2 sensor and reconnected the correct wire. Replace the two studs that broke off from over tighting. the car was leaking and stupid me tightened the bolts beyond spec and they snapped. they have been replaced i plugged everything back up and tried to start nothing only cranking. check the return line ( the fuel is being returned) but the car still is not flooding!!!! it doesnt look like the injectors have been messed with. ..this is really driving me crazy.
oh yeh did a compression test with a reg compression tester(valve out)
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rear 85-90
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05-14-09, 04:42 PM
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Easy way to make sure if it's fuel or fire is pour some gas in the throttle body. If it pops off, you know your not getting fuel. I didn't use the fuel pump cut relay on mine. I have the fuel pump on ignition. Another thing is to make sure the injector grounds are grounded. Should break out of the harness to bolt down to the rear rotor.
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05-14-09, 09:16 PM
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Easy way to make sure if it's fuel or fire is pour some gas in the throttle body. If it pops off, you know your not getting fuel. I didn't use the fuel pump cut relay on mine. I have the fuel pump on ignition. Another thing is to make sure the injector grounds are grounded. Should break out of the harness to bolt down to the rear rotor.
I was going out to the car today but the family needed me to work on their car. Kind of tired though, been leaving the car average 2am 6days straight plus working and dealing with the fam in addition ro researching this issue on line. I found this in 2nd gen search: https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...jector+grounds
I will be out there tomorrow....wanna come down and help
, the car is in Norma, NC. i got the beer.
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hey bad 83...
Question. Grounding the ecu at the ecu ......will this grn the fuel injectors... or ido i have to grn the injectors at the motor..i will look for the grn but i dont remember removing a grn only one when i pulled the motor and it was on the rear rotor housing on the passenger side to the firewall.
Question. Grounding the ecu at the ecu ......will this grn the fuel injectors... or ido i have to grn the injectors at the motor..i will look for the grn but i dont remember removing a grn only one when i pulled the motor and it was on the rear rotor housing on the passenger side to the firewall.
05-22-09, 09:32 AM
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testing everything seems fine.
Okay update:
I have tested for voltage in accordance with FSM and everything seems to be good. the only concern that i have is that the Fuel pressure resistor relay is wired up wrong. The Injectors are showing power 3J was not getting power it is now, grounded the ecu on the mounting brackets to ensure proper ground.
On a side note the water pump housing is leaking, i had placed gasket sealer on it and then removed it. It is still leaking its the TII (s4)waterpump housing with the SE front cover. torqued in the right seq. and simmed on the 3rd and 4th bolts. cant figure it out.
I have tested for voltage in accordance with FSM and everything seems to be good. the only concern that i have is that the Fuel pressure resistor relay is wired up wrong. The Injectors are showing power 3J was not getting power it is now, grounded the ecu on the mounting brackets to ensure proper ground.
On a side note the water pump housing is leaking, i had placed gasket sealer on it and then removed it. It is still leaking its the TII (s4)waterpump housing with the SE front cover. torqued in the right seq. and simmed on the 3rd and 4th bolts. cant figure it out.
06-02-09, 04:32 PM
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get her to pop.
Okay update...
yesterday after testing connection after connection i found that my trailing wiring was wrong. Corrected the issue and got the car to start for a second(starter fluid). i am on cloud 6 after hours of testing and double checking everything. Now i am not getting any fuel. My fuel pump resitor relay resistor is questionable. My lost is at the fuel pump resistor relay wiring to the open circuit relay to ECU. from the FSM i see that one wire goes to the fuel pump, one wire goes to the ECU and one wire goes to the open circuit relay. i used the FSM fro a 89-91 so the wiring was not matching up and i kept blowing a fuse. there are 6 wires coming from that resistor relay and i know that two merge to one, two others merge as well.
what i need help with is to verify the colors. What two colors go to what.??
yesterday after testing connection after connection i found that my trailing wiring was wrong. Corrected the issue and got the car to start for a second(starter fluid). i am on cloud 6 after hours of testing and double checking everything. Now i am not getting any fuel. My fuel pump resitor relay resistor is questionable. My lost is at the fuel pump resistor relay wiring to the open circuit relay to ECU. from the FSM i see that one wire goes to the fuel pump, one wire goes to the ECU and one wire goes to the open circuit relay. i used the FSM fro a 89-91 so the wiring was not matching up and i kept blowing a fuse. there are 6 wires coming from that resistor relay and i know that two merge to one, two others merge as well.
what i need help with is to verify the colors. What two colors go to what.??
08-11-09, 07:59 AM
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Ohhhhhh she is running.
FIRST CRAZY big up to gsl-se addict for his dedication for not giving up and making it happen. Thank you to his wife MRS. KENT she was the bomb and her patience is unmeasured as well as her openess (not to many women are on that standard.
The issue was with my open circuit relay. It was not grounded, it was connected to the back of the ecu via connection from the air flow mass sensor. After hours and i mean hours of testing resistance, for correct voltage, wiring configurations and double checking measurements i informed kent of one minor detail. This detail was crucial to resolving the issue. A ground of the open cir relay. Months and months of stress for one simple wire.just have to get her to idle smoothly, she is bouncing up and down.
Now it is time to simply clean her up, just to get rid of her. Got a buyer who (hopefully OR NOT
) just wanted me to get her running to pick her up by the end of this week.
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Again I would like to thank Kent, Bad83(wish you could have came out and hung out with us), rotarydave2006,3rd and final 7,82transam,steve84GS TII,blackdeath647,sa7,Jeezus,arghx,SPERRYsan,wacky racer,polito Racing (i didnt forget about you man, i promise u),85rx-7gsl-se,K-Tune,z-beater and RX3SP. All of guys have been the greatest help. Thank you all
The issue was with my open circuit relay. It was not grounded, it was connected to the back of the ecu via connection from the air flow mass sensor. After hours and i mean hours of testing resistance, for correct voltage, wiring configurations and double checking measurements i informed kent of one minor detail. This detail was crucial to resolving the issue. A ground of the open cir relay. Months and months of stress for one simple wire.just have to get her to idle smoothly, she is bouncing up and down.
Now it is time to simply clean her up, just to get rid of her. Got a buyer who (hopefully OR NOT
) just wanted me to get her running to pick her up by the end of this week..Again I would like to thank Kent, Bad83(wish you could have came out and hung out with us), rotarydave2006,3rd and final 7,82transam,steve84GS TII,blackdeath647,sa7,Jeezus,arghx,SPERRYsan,wacky racer,polito Racing (i didnt forget about you man, i promise u),85rx-7gsl-se,K-Tune,z-beater and RX3SP. All of guys have been the greatest help. Thank you all
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08-12-09, 08:17 AM
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I will be back out fri and staying the weekend to get her running smoothly. almost got the hood done as well perfect fit, just got to fiberglass it in. going to mazda today to get the gasket for the waterpump housing gasket.
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Hello All,
Its been awhile seen i have undated this thread. Well there is no idle issue as of now (thanks Raffy) one of my fuel injector was bad. just waiting for my driveshaft now ready to feel this thing run. i will post some picks when i fine my cam.
Its been awhile seen i have undated this thread. Well there is no idle issue as of now (thanks Raffy) one of my fuel injector was bad. just waiting for my driveshaft now ready to feel this thing run. i will post some picks when i fine my cam.
02-01-10, 08:22 PM
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Glad to hear you got it fired. I would like to see another TII-FB in the area. My last dyno run was at 8 psi, low timing, stock ecu, only turning 6500 rpms, and I put 240hp at the rear wheels. Right now I'm running 15 psi with a RTEK 1.7, 720 secondarys, and a hybrid TO4E turbo. I know I'm over 300 rwhp now. If you have never driven a TII-FB, get ready to crap yourself 
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Glad to hear you got it fired. I would like to see another TII-FB in the area. My last dyno run was at 8 psi, low timing, stock ecu, only turning 6500 rpms, and I put 240hp at the rear wheels. Right now I'm running 15 psi with a RTEK 1.7, 720 secondarys, and a hybrid TO4E turbo. I know I'm over 300 rwhp now. If you have never driven a TII-FB, get ready to crap yourself
. i cant wait to drive it. it sounds amazing with just the downpipe,i wont drive it hard at all not until i get the exhust done and get it timed...in which i would like to make a trip up ur side to get done...if thats cool wid u? i like ur setup..i was going to get a rtek as i got my gslse injectors already but i prefer to get the poly bushings first
, and a set of rear tokicos( mines are bottoming out ).