say that again after driving a northstar eldorado

 

my buddy is building up a civic (an '85 4-door) that should give my SE a good run.

so far he's in prep stage. he got a non-running 5 speed civic sedan for free. it actually has surprisingly little rust for a nip in our climate. his plan is to pick up wrecked integra with the usdm version of the ZC motor (something like that, i'm not all up on honda tech) to swap in.

he says those motors throw down about 120hp and his car weighs about 1800lbs w/ engine. it's going to be his daily driver, so he'll be keeping it quiet and stockish looking fom the outside.

 

yeah those b18's look just like the zc engine.

 

well what I figure is this, why race 4 cyl? Go for the big boys. Chevy v6 and mustnag v8s. My bro has a v8 blown mustang. He roasted the tires for 300ft all the way through 4th. Now those are the cars we need to be keep[ing up with. The ones that beat ferraris. Screw hondas. We know they can do all they're engine swaps and crap they want to, big deal, I have port polished 13B gslse modded to carb rats nest gone dellorto maniofld mikuni carb. And it's the stock engine. Let them spend 300-400 bucks on a cam and still not keep up. Trust me my last car had a custom reground cam in it. It was a 1.5 sohc no vtec that smoked vtecs. Had trouble in top end but that thing could move off the line through 3rd. And it can't keep up with the rx7. Hah.

 

Ever think that maybe someone can't afford an F body? People buy a Civic because they are cheap, they have way more parts availible, and no matter what you do to it, you are still going to have reliability and good gas mileage. My bro's hatch with a GS-R swap, exhaust, and intake has 135whp, runs 13.9 on slicks, and get 25mpg. Can your Mustang, Camaro, or RX-7 do that? It's not always about how much you have to spend to make it go fast; it's knowing that when you turn that key, it'll fire right up, and get you through your day on 1/4 tank of gas. With 4 cyclinders, it may take a bit to get the big HP numbers, but it doesn't take much horsepower. How much does the Camaro or Mustang weigh? 3,500-4,000 lbs? They need 300 HP just to move. A civic hatch back barely weighs 2,000lbs; so, your HP arguement is null. Let's put a 300HP Camaro up against a 300HP civic hatch and see who wins....

 

It just seems strang that anyone would pour thousands of $'s into a "low powered economy 4 banger" when they could be pouring the kind of cash into a sports car -I have nothing against civics or the like but the money some people spend on these cars is beyond me.

 

some people like a challenge, and like to be different.

it's not much of a challenge to build a 650hp 302 or 350....

plus F-Bodies handle like crap compared to imports

 

It is in many people's nature to root for the underdog, myself included, hell thats one reason I love 1st gens, nobody (almost nobody) knows whats up with the rotary and the suprised look on people's faces after you blow past them is priceless.

 

They generally don't "pour" money in. They save and buy little by little. Plus, like it has been stated, people like a challenge.

 

You'll get no argument from me in that it would be a challenge - personally, I don't spend money on my cars for the challenge - there really is no challenge in making a car run faster. Any car has the potential to go fast given enough time and money
And I wan't referring to the time table when I mentioned "pouring" money into these cars... I was referring to the amount of money. A little at a time or a lot all at once - what difference does that make it you end up spending the lot when it's all said and done?

 

OK, let me reiterate.

Front wheel drive + American V8 = Slightly less retarded.

 

hey.. be easy on him guys .. he beat a civic.. altho he could have probably done it in reverse, he still beat him
theres nothing wrong with stoplight racing.. if its just a lil flinch.. street racing is different.. im against that.. cuz its dumb.. but stoplight.. there is a place and a time.. not rush hour.. but even cops will race at the right time and place from a stoplight

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lee Lyons
[B]a prestine VW Jetta with a vr-6 with a 2.0 turbo.



Thats a big Turbo.....Right?

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lee Lyons
[a prestine VW Jetta with a vr-6 with a 2.0 turbo.




Thats a big Turbo.........Right?

 

Its easy to pretend you are superior on the internet with all this "street racing is for losers". So don't feel too bad thricerx7. We all have gotten on it a little bit and have been caught up in the moment... anyone who tells you different is a liar. Basically the best thing to do though is find a legit place to race. Locally, there is an abandoned air strip in which we have permission from the owners, and the local authorities to race there at 3 am on saturday nights. Not much, but we all have a great time and we can release all of our built up energy from ricers coming up to us during the week.

Zachstylez

 

yeah funny how i started this thread, and you smoked ME in your 7 going down the road! of course you know why. its that RB exhaust & header system and the light flywheel. thanks to dan my mentor, letting me catch up and blowing by me once i do! haha...

 

honda=ricer=queer

 

hey no saying that until i sell my civic

 

i have an 87 crx. i am not a ricer. we all own a fuel efficient car at one point....

 

i guess :| is there a support group for that?

 

dunno. thats why i dont drive the crx. i drive m 3 7's as much as possible

 

Seriously. . . BigJim - How often, that you actually drive on a ROAD, used by other road users, do you encounter one car to "race" and NOTHING in front, behind or to the sides? Where are you driving? I dont think I have EVER been on a public road - and seen NO-ONE at all (except the guy I'm about to race) !!!???!! - and by the way - the other driver, how do you know he is "willing" to do anything, just cause you FLOOR it ?? I dunno man. . . seem like a lot of excuses - come on, be honest - YOU LIKE TO STREET RACE - regardless!!

And yeah. . . beating a "civic" doesnt really seem like such a feat, especially in the world that I come from, the land of thumpin V8's etc. . .
Now the day I beat that guy - in a Torana 5000 V8 thumper, as I enterered the highway and we were side by side for about a klm...he just couldnt get enough speed to pull away from me - I (stupidly) got to about 190ks (that was fully maxed out) and he had no more...
man, that was a good feeling. . .

 

There is no reason to call anybody a loser--especialy a fellow rxer. Steet racing isn't smart but I'm sure almost everyone here has been in a couple. Also Civic's don't suck, my grandma loves hers.

 

Ok, being the guy who's telling you about modding my honda I figure I'll give you some more info so you can make your own judgments about it.

First off, I loath the ricer crowd. Every saturday night there's a big group of drunk 18 year old kids that rice the ba-jesus out of their momma's cars. I've been through there, if it's a turbo it's a ghetto turbo kit put onto the cars by a local shop, and isn't making any more horsepower than stock. It's all show and no go: lights, speakers, vinyl, etc. Rarely does someone show up with an engine much beyond stock. Aside from a few money cars (late model bone stock supra, c5 vette, etc), there's not even much that could be considered "sporty" to drive.

My car: I bought the car when I was much younger with the intention of getting from A to B without spending much in maintanance or gas. At the time I knew reletivly little about cars, just enough to fix what was wrong as long as it was simple plus do all the basic updates.

I'm at a much different point in my life now, especially after working on the RX (which needs regular baby-ing). I don't know it all, but I feel reasonably confindant I won't break anything and that if I do I can make it right.

So now I've got this honda sitting around, it's aged and has a better value than it does pricetag. I've got two options: work with what I have on the weekends when I don't need to get places, or get a junker to make a project out of. I've been shopping for 2nd gens and older 300Z's for some time now, and havn't found anything worth doing the work on for the price of the vehicle (you wouldn't think "not wrecked badly, frame not rusted, undamaged engine and possibly drivable interior" would be so hard to find, but it has been).

Suddenly it hits me: why not make a sleeper? The engine layout in that honda could hide a turbo and charge piping with ease. Some carefull suspension upgrades could help to get the power to the ground, there's a loads of useless weight on the thing that could come off, and stock the thing is pumping out some 140hp with most of it in the low end with a low compression engine. Drop 500lbs and pick up 50hp and I can compete with a slew of street cars, and even a few modified vehicles. That's not at all hard to do on the car, and the only big ticket items on the list are a couple fuel regulation and timing managment bits. Everything else I can either scavange or build myself.

Of course, this doesn't mean I won't keep looking for the real car, just that I'd like to make my daily drive a little more fun without letting anyone else know it is. My ultimate goal is a fiberglassed FC with a ported 3 rotor turbo under the hood. I'm guessing I'll have a few cars in between now and then to make that happen, including porting and turboing that 84 gsl w/ lsd sitting in the driveway. Might as well have some fun along the way, you know?

 

Wicked, funny vibe there although I've been around a guy who told my friend (Quite a sexy well hot chick - Blondie) "oh yeah DOHC etc.." of her well hot 12A turbo carbied Rx-2 series 3 (raised bonnet bulge, hex type tail - fantastic grabber orange style ext.).
He was banned from he company ever since, btw she had a hardcore golden terrier called Savanna - for all the pooch lovin' rotorheads.

Ignorance is bliss for some people, boy did all the rotary crew I was with dish him out with the major burn for that!

And quite a few years later this same guy tried to describe his brother's 12A Bridge 808 sedan as having a 13A ...