680whp(12A) It's possible "proof"
11-09-02, 02:54 AM
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680whp(12A) It's possible "proof"
this link may shed some light.
http://cp_www.tripod.com/rotary/pg22.htm
My mechanic just came back from puertorico and told me there are two 12A's now in the high sevens.
Don't unerestemate the power of the force.
"12A That is"
http://cp_www.tripod.com/rotary/pg22.htm
My mechanic just came back from puertorico and told me there are two 12A's now in the high sevens.
Don't unerestemate the power of the force.
"12A That is"
... looks like we broke it 
11-09-02, 03:03 PM
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i have heard of a more powerful 13b than the one on that site, i did not see any proof of it so the guy could be fulla ****, but who knows. it was a 13b and it had single turbo runnin 30 somethin lbs. of boost. he said it had 850somethin horses to the ground. it was in some datsun drag car, i dont remember anything about what kinda times it ran though. he was also workin on a 1000+hp 20b for the same datsun.
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11-10-02, 03:57 PM
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Delerium can't be making too much power if its only using 4 x 1100cc injectors.
Still not convinced in any way, shape or form that 680rwhp is possible from a 2 rotor 12A...
Still not convinced in any way, shape or form that 680rwhp is possible from a 2 rotor 12A...
11-11-02, 02:57 AM
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Originally posted by AJC13B
Delerium can't be making too much power if its only using 4 x 1100cc injectors.
Still not convinced in any way, shape or form that 680rwhp is possible from a 2 rotor 12A...
Delerium can't be making too much power if its only using 4 x 1100cc injectors.
Still not convinced in any way, shape or form that 680rwhp is possible from a 2 rotor 12A...
Could be cranked right up like I have mine and flowing almost 1400cc from a 1100cc injector.
Could be like Nissan Godzilla's were here in Australia using 550cc injectors to make 700bhp !
They ran 125 to 130 psi static fuel pressure via a mechanical pump on stock injectors !
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11-11-02, 04:46 AM
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Originally posted by RICE RACING
How do you know what fuel pressure he is running?
Could be cranked right up like I have mine and flowing almost 1400cc from a 1100cc injector.
Could be like Nissan Godzilla's were here in Australia using 550cc injectors to make 700bhp !
They ran 125 to 130 psi static fuel pressure via a mechanical pump on stock injectors !
How do you know what fuel pressure he is running?
Could be cranked right up like I have mine and flowing almost 1400cc from a 1100cc injector.
Could be like Nissan Godzilla's were here in Australia using 550cc injectors to make 700bhp !
They ran 125 to 130 psi static fuel pressure via a mechanical pump on stock injectors !
And the comparison with a factory backed race team doesn't sit in this discussion at all. The injectors weren't stock either. They were Nismo and static pressure was 100psi...
11-11-02, 10:04 AM
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680 HP is not impossible. The horsepower difference between a fully done 12A and 13B is not that large. (Torque is a large difference though).
There are guys running 40-50lbs of boost on blow through 12A cars in Puerto Rico all the time.
If you add Juice the equation, it is possible
I personally don't believe you can get anywhere near that with a massaged Nikki, even if it was Paul Yaw himself.
But that's just my opinion.
There are guys running 40-50lbs of boost on blow through 12A cars in Puerto Rico all the time.
If you add Juice the equation, it is possible
I personally don't believe you can get anywhere near that with a massaged Nikki, even if it was Paul Yaw himself.
But that's just my opinion.
11-12-02, 02:46 AM
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Originally posted by AJC13B
I dont know what fuel pressure he is running and quite frankly I don't care. He has run 8.2 in a car weighing 2 tenths of. If it was making 700hp to the back wheels, it would be in the 7s @ 17x+ mph
And the comparison with a factory backed race team doesn't sit in this discussion at all. The injectors weren't stock either. They were Nismo and static pressure was 100psi...
I dont know what fuel pressure he is running and quite frankly I don't care. He has run 8.2 in a car weighing 2 tenths of. If it was making 700hp to the back wheels, it would be in the 7s @ 17x+ mph
And the comparison with a factory backed race team doesn't sit in this discussion at all. The injectors weren't stock either. They were Nismo and static pressure was 100psi...
Give the guy some credit Steve, 680 odd RWHP = around 790bhp in their language. i just do not understand why you have to bag something because it does not add up in your view.
11-12-02, 03:21 AM
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Originally posted by Directfreak
680 HP is not impossible. The horsepower difference between a fully done 12A and 13B is not that large. (Torque is a large difference though).
There are guys running 40-50lbs of boost on blow through 12A cars in Puerto Rico all the time.
If you add Juice the equation, it is possible
I personally don't believe you can get anywhere near that with a massaged Nikki, even if it was Paul Yaw himself.
But that's just my opinion.
680 HP is not impossible. The horsepower difference between a fully done 12A and 13B is not that large. (Torque is a large difference though).
There are guys running 40-50lbs of boost on blow through 12A cars in Puerto Rico all the time.
If you add Juice the equation, it is possible
I personally don't believe you can get anywhere near that with a massaged Nikki, even if it was Paul Yaw himself.
But that's just my opinion.
11-12-02, 03:45 AM
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Originally posted by AJC13B
Delerium can't be making too much power if its only using 4 x 1100cc injectors.
Still not convinced in any way, shape or form that 680rwhp is possible from a 2 rotor 12A...
Delerium can't be making too much power if its only using 4 x 1100cc injectors.
Still not convinced in any way, shape or form that 680rwhp is possible from a 2 rotor 12A...
680rwhp12a has a similar set up too (in power)
11-12-02, 04:52 AM
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im not bragging , actually im not satisfied at all . right now im doing more experimental porting , changing plenum shape, and im going to try a larger exh. turbine to get more power. hopefully. i dont like N2O , its too finiky and if you have the right combonation you dont need it... sorry if you thought i was bragging im just tring to get my point across... why go 13b when you could keep your 12a???
11-12-02, 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by RICE RACING
So how do you know ? What he has made, why doubt it..just because in your opinion it can't be done.
Give the guy some credit Steve, 680 odd RWHP = around 790bhp in their language. i just do not understand why you have to bag something because it does not add up in your view.
So how do you know ? What he has made, why doubt it..just because in your opinion it can't be done.
Give the guy some credit Steve, 680 odd RWHP = around 790bhp in their language. i just do not understand why you have to bag something because it does not add up in your view.
Delerium has run huge numbers, no doubt. He has the power and is more than likely making it through massive amounts of NOS. But that car would weigh well under 2000lbs. AVENGE weighs close to 2000lbs with driver and is making 720hp to the flywheel and is running 8.5 @ 155.
680hp12a just said he doesn't use NOS. His car has not run any numbers. Lots of people claim big numbers on a dyno, but until their cars run a number on the track, the dyno printout isnt worth the paper its printed on.
Originally posted by RICE RACING
Well 790 odd bhp is possible for sure, The numbers make sence if it is bridged and reving to 9k @ max power with high boost.
680rwhp12a has a similar set up too (in power)
Well 790 odd bhp is possible for sure, The numbers make sence if it is bridged and reving to 9k @ max power with high boost.
680rwhp12a has a similar set up too (in power)
If 680hp12a took his car to the track, it would want to run above 150mph terminal to gain any credibility. With 680hp at the tyres, it should **** it in.
Originally posted by 680RWHP12A
anytime your in LA call me!!! i'll give you a ride you'll never forget! have you ever gotten sideways at 90 mph in 3rd gear ??
anytime your in LA call me!!! i'll give you a ride you'll never forget! have you ever gotten sideways at 90 mph in 3rd gear ??
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11-12-02, 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by 680RWHP12A
anytime your in LA call me!!! i'll give you a ride you'll never forget! have you ever gotten sideways at 90 mph in 3rd gear ??
anytime your in LA call me!!! i'll give you a ride you'll never forget! have you ever gotten sideways at 90 mph in 3rd gear ??