fatboy7

A built turbo B18C with a t3/t4 can be pretty fast, no need to dis the guy because he drives a honda. Certainly as fast as most NA 1st gens regardless of porting. If the guy somewhat sucessfully turbocharged his honda, he may be ready for a turbo rotary. Give the guy a break.

There is a ton of misinformation in this thread -- too many people condescendingly offering their opinion as if gosple truth. I realize that giving this guy the full story, with adequate explenation is probably futile. Its like he asked for a drink of water, but all we've got is a fire hose Still no need to castrate -- either don't respond, or ask for more info. Its true he doesn't know jack about the car. In fact, I can tell that he's just scouting out a future project either for himself or a buddy.

Some of the misinformation I'd like to point out is:

1)Not nessisarily. If its an old motor you might want to do this anyway just for the sake of rebuilding, but its still not nessisary to port. I relize you were giving the Reader's Digest version, but still.

2)This just isn't true. Any engine can run 5-8psi I don't care how poorly built from the factory. Thats only if proper precautions are made of course, such as fuel system and intercooling have been addressed. As far as high compression rotaries are conscerned, like 9.4 CR is much different than 9.0. If the limit to boost on a 9.0 CR 13B was 14 psi, than the limit on 9.4 is likely to be around 12.5 psi.

3)Boost limit in general... Stock engines can handle a heck of alot more boost than you think, but you must have the mods to support it. 15-18psi is roughly the limit on pump gas, before detonation bites you in the ***. 20+ psi on race gas.

Of course it really depends on his/your definition of stock engine. Does it mean factory stock, not a single improvement above what came with the car, or stock as in the engine has never been opened, but everthing else in the engine bay is modified?

On most piston engines there is a somewhat difined limit on boost the block can take before the rods break, the head gasket blows, or the head bolts strech. So TurboB18C1Teg was asking what he knows on hondas to be a valid question. On Rotaries that limit too exists, but is too complex, too rarely hit that noone will fill you in (ie the point where the e-shaft flexes, or the housings flex, rearhousing cracks, etc.). On most rotary blocks boost limits are tuner/fuel/detonation related.

Anyway,long post, play nice.

nod1stgen

I agree. Though the info that this guy needs is in there, the search sucks for trying to troubleshoot. No one finalizes anything.
Someone comes on with a problem and 20 people give different answers. Then the guy comes back and addresses an update and 20 people give 5 answers. Then the guy(I guess) fixes the problem and you never hear from him again. So you never find out what the real problem actually was, or what finally fixed it.
I havent been on here too long but Ive used the seach extensivly, and,Unless I run in to a good link someone left, not some but all of the help I got came from one on one with you guys. I knew a fair bit about REs before, but I know alot more now and I still havent learned half of it. And I wouldnt have the knowledge to know that I dont even know half of it if it wasnt for the stupid questions people ask.
Hey...........you gotta start somewhere. Remember that next time you think the Question is dumb. Maybe the next generation will have a little more knowledge after we hand it down(you know, like your pison pushin DAD did) but right now people are only just now realizing that that Overweight, Underpowered, 13in wheeled RX-7 is kickin theyre ***!

BTW: I got ribbed too when I first hit the forums and still do from time to time(mostly for Backyard/shadetree mechs) but I always eventually get an answer. Just shrug it off........Geez!

BTW: Turbo Honda against a Stock 1st gen? C'mon
Park it next to the top of the line RX of the same year, If you got the *****, the RX WILL have the time!

Keaponlaffen

As far as the age discrimination thing goes - Yes, I agree, fully, Young people on the whole are in more accidents than people with more driving experience, simply because they tend to take more risks, risks that someone with more experience wouldn't consider. There are, however, young drivers that are responsible, mature drivers.

I personally, have had my lisence for 2 years now (including my learners, with which I drove a LOT), I'm 18, I deliver pizza, I've driven more than 28,000 kilometers in the time that I've had my lisence, and I've never been in an accident, never had a speeding ticket, and never had any real close calls.

Problem is, there's that 35% of nit-wits out there that are too stupid to realize that they are driving a 2000lb+ vehicle, a potentially lethal weapon in the wrong hands... They're the ones that give young drivers a bad name, and also the reason BC brought in graduated licensing, with the "Novice" stage...

AdrenalifeRX7

Sure you can run a little boost on a stock port, but it's not worth it. Porting and turbocharging go hand in hand for the most power gains. If you're gonna go boosted you might as well go all out-rebuild the motor and port it.

kuhlrx7

fat boy some of your info is too general to apply to a stock na rotary. like your pump gass boost info. even less than 15 lbs can bite you in the *** with detonation.

for all.
he did not say he turboed his honda. just that he had one. he did not know if it was fuel injected or not. he had not even bought the car yet.

this guy asking the question did get ansers through out this post. he also got flamed a little for attatude and rotary bashing. very little compared to others for less. get off each others back for being yourselves. if you are new get to know others here before spouting off agenst them, it may be their personality.

is it speed reading or did the retention rate go down? now go back to the first post reread this thing and get a laugh.

fatboy7

There are 2nd and 3rd gens on this board making 500 Hp that still have the stock ports. I'm not saying you shouldn't port, just that it isn't an absolute requirement. It limits the size of turbo you can run before lag starts to hurt more than the extra power can help. I'm sure thats what you would have said, but for brevity you didn't.

Sorry, it just a pet peeve when people make short blanket statments about what is possible without supporting evidence. Most of these blanket staments are made merely off of hersay gathered here on the forum, because the person lacks personal expirence. For most this forum is the only way alot of us learn about our cars. When blanket statements are made, people learn them. Then they too make the same blanket statements. All of a sudden you have 5-10 people in the same thread saying relatively the same thing that just isn't true.

Its fine to state it as your opinion, or add disclaimer such as IIRC, AFAIK, or "I heard from someone". That way newer less knowledgable members can at least take it at face value rather than as the gosple.

I know I've been caught up in some of these rumors before. A good example of the rumor mill run amok is the uses for the ATF treatment. They often start from someone misconstruing a knowledgable persons words, then repeating.

Sorry, [/rant]

fatboy7

Sure, 5lbs can bite you in the *** too, if you're not tuned right. That doesn't mean your engine is boost limited to 5 lbs though. I'm definatly not advacating you turbo your car, crank the boost up to 15+ pounds before you have a chance to tune at lower boost levels. To do so would be insanly stupid. But assuming you have been tuning the engine for awhile, taking the nessasary precautions when turning up the boost, 15 lbs shouldn't be out of the question -- its been done plenty of times.

In general, I agree with the sentiment on the board that this guy is more likely a troll than not. Chances are he's not even looking into buying a 1st gen to turbo, but trying to find out what "so and so" is running, and whether or not he or his buddy is going to get raped in a race against one.