FuLLsMoKe

I totally agree with ya, Metallic_rock!

Last time I checked, this is a forum full of rotorheads, not honduh *****

FS

kuhlrx7

yea

85rotarypower

First off, I am truely offended by the way mark perez refers to younger kids. I am 17 years old and since I got my license a year and a half ago, I have only come close to crashing into another car ONCE during a whiteout after school in febuary.

Secondly, I'm actually going to help this guy out unlike the rest of you jerks (with the exception of a few).

Anyway, the best way to get power from a first gen is not to turbocharge it, but to simply keep it N/A. To do this, do a nice streetport on the engine, a full exhaust system, and a custom cold air intake and a few other little things. This will run you about 1500-2000 dollars US. That will likely give you the same if not more hp than a 4000 dollar turbo conversion seeing as you can only run about 4psi with the stock engine. I'd say about 180-200 hp. If anyone that knows more would like to confirm this then go ahead, I'm just going by what I have learned.

By the way, this is all assuming that you get a fuel injected car. A carb will run you into the 3000-4000 dollar range to get the same power.

85rotarypower

First off, I am truely offended by the way mark perez refers to younger kids. I am 17 years old and since I got my license a year and a half ago, I have only come close to crashing into another car ONCE during a whiteout after school in febuary.

Secondly, I'm actually going to help this guy out unlike the rest of you jerks (with the exception of a few).

Anyway, the best way to get power from a first gen is not to turbocharge it, but to simply keep it N/A. To do this, do a nice streetport on the engine, a full exhaust system, and a custom cold air intake and a few other little things. This will run you about 1500-2000 dollars US. That will likely give you the same if not more hp than a 4000 dollar turbo conversion seeing as you can only run about 4psi with the stock engine. I'd say about 180-200 hp. If anyone that knows more would like to confirm this then go ahead, I'm just going by what I have learned.

By the way, this is all assuming that you get a fuel injected car. A carb will run you into the 3000-4000 dollar range to get the same power and probebly around 5000 dollars to do a turbo on a carb.

(sorry double post)

Pedestrian X

Sorry man, but you are WAY off..

Pedestrian X

Sorry my bad, i missed the last part about carb/EFI. You are still way of though price wise just for 2000 you are epecting a full exhaust, streetport (rebuild needed w/), custom air intake, and all the other **** you never expect that jus thappens to pop up, all of that i would assume to be at least double. not sure but i still dont think you will be at 200hp.

coldy13

I did it for about $1000, including a new clutch to hold the extra power without slipping. If you do the work yourself, it doesn't cost nearly as much as everyone likes to think. My car is not runnig yet, just waiting for my fuel pump and pressure regulator to get here, but my car will have 200-250hp.

85rotarypower

I'm sorry if i'm way off, I'm just going by what I think.

I'm just trying to help out a guy that isn't getting any help from anyone else on this board (again with the exception of a few). All people want to do is make fun of the car he had before. Personally I bet it was really fast, but the RX-7 can do better than it. If you think about it, EVERYONE on this board started out at one time asking the same kind of questions as this guy has.

EDIT: should have mentioned that the prices are in US dollars. I know I'm canadian, but when you look at the websites, they all have amounts in US dollars and those are the prices I know. Am I so far off now?

85rotarypower

Coldy13: Are you running a turbo on a carb or is that with the mods I suggested?

coldy13

I know, I did that too, which is exactly why we tell all the newbies to SEARCH, because almost everything has already been covered.

At first, I REALLY wanted to do a huge streetport on my car, but I decided to turbocharge it instead because I could do it for much cheaper, and have a little more power.

wagondriver69

85rotarypower

coldy13: Are you running a carb with turbo or the mods I suggested? sorry again if this is a double post, I have highspeed and its being too f@cking slow. sometimes wont even load next page.

I agree with you to search. I search all the time, but sometime it just doesn't work. In this case a search would turn up a LOT of info.

Pedestrian X

full exhaust, engine rebuild, street port, all the other unexpected things will run up a total easily over 2 grand US

coldy13

No, it's not with the mods you listed. It is a blowthru carb setup, using a stock carb that has been modded, and a J-spec 12aT manifold that has been ported huge. I posted the setup on the first page of this thread.

DJ Kontakt

greg, nice wheels

RotorMotorDriver

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Sorry about the first comment I made, its just that these posts pop up all the time, it gets boring answering them all the time...But, since everyone has been so friendly, I think Ill help you out. Just be sure to try and search before you post a question.

No there are no up to date worth your while turbo kits available for EFI or carbed cars.

Stock, both the 12A and 13B N/A engines can probably safely hold a maximum of 6 PSI on a fairly well tuned engine. The "true" amount of boost relies solely on tuning IMO. The better the tuning, the more boost you can run.

HP...Well thats something Im not too sure about. Ive heard that the stock ports on a 12A engine will only flow enough air and fuel for about 150 HP at the crank. I dont know if that changes with a turbo or not because it would be compressed in, but its still restricted by the physical port size. I believe that the 6 port EFI 13B engines maximum HP is about 180 for their ports, but once again, dont quote me.

Now then, in my honest opinion, if I had a first gen and that much money to spare, I would look to start with basic upgrades to bring the car "up to date". Get yourself the basic tune up parts first. Spark plugs, spark plug wires, distributor cap, distributor rotor, air filter, fuel filter, oil change, etc. Maybe look into shocks, springs, bushings, etc. After 20 years, theyre going to need replacing. After you have that all down, maybe check out brakes. If you want more power, youre definatly going to want to be able to stop. New OEM pads and rotors are a good choice if you want good working "stock" brakes, and stainless steel brake lines and high performance pads and rotors are always out there too. If youve done all that and still have money leftover, or maybe you didnt do that and you just want sheer engine performance, I would look into a full exhaust system from www.racingbeat.com. In hine sight, I would get the streetport setup for whichever engine. This will add a good amount of HP like the stock port system, and also has the flexability to run on a ported engine if you ever rebuild and port your engine. After you have the exhaust, look into the intake side. The Weber carbs are awesome on these cars, I personally had one and I will personally reccommend them. I cant say anything for the Holleys, Ive never owned them, but apparently they make good power. After you have exhaust and intake, youre going to need a new fuel pump to supply that carb (assuming you have one and youre not still EFI). Get yourself a nice high flow carb fuel pump and pressure regulator. I personally used a Carter 7 PSI pump and a Holley adjustable regulator. Worked fine for my Weber. Maybe you would want to look into ignition as well. The DLIDFIS system seems to be popular, and worked well for me.

As you can see, its a pretty step by step process to upgrade, but its a lot of fun along the way. You also get the chance to get "hands on" with the car and learn a lot about it. Ill tell you that in my opinion, running with the mods I had in my sig, my car was plenty fast. Although, in all honesty I did want it faster, I was really happy with the performance I got out of it for the money invested. Do some number crunching with HP/weight ratios and you would be surprised at what you come up close to as far as modern cars .

Hope that helps.

~T.J.

AdrenalifeRX7

Look TurboB18C1Teg, I'm sorry if I came off right away sounding like an *******. It's just that I've seen too many of your type make the wrong choices and ask all the wrong questions. You're getting too far ahead of yourself. You could easily turbo a first gen with 4500 bucks. But can you do it yourself? I doubt it. From the looks of it, you have much to learn about the rotary engine. If you can't tell the difference between a FI engine and a carbed engine, then you are far from any position to modify it. It's not easy that's for sure. Do you really think any of us would want to spend the time to help you and answer all your questions when we're not even sure you will/can make the right decision? Say you tried to turbo a first gen and ended up blowing the motor. You'd probably give up and post something on a Honda/Acura forum along the lines of "The RX7 is the biggest POS ever made". All because you didn't take the time to study these cars and learn as much as you can before you blow your money and make a big mistake. A lot of us take each other seriously around here because we love these cars with a passion like no other. We don't want to see them get messed up. The majority of Honda owners fall into the stereotypical "ricer" catagory because everyone seems to own one. I can already see that you're one of those people since you seem to believe that Integra's can smoke most RX7's (lack of respect and knowledge). While the Teg owners are trying to run 14's and high 13's in the quarter mile, the turbo RX7 guys are going for low 11's to high 10's. Big difference. The turbo RX7 guys that run such low times are the ones that took the time on their cars, built them right. It may sound cocky of me to say this, but I have yet to see a street legal Honda product whip my 7's *** on the street. But that doesn't mean I think Integras etc, are slow. A true automotive enthuisiast is always open minded.

ZachstylezRX7

Yes... it is true that everyone (well... mostly) here came on the board wanting to get more information. When i joined in June after i got my 1rst gen i came on the board and pretty much said, "What now?" However, in no instance did i get on the board and say, "So... listen i haven't gotten my car yet... haven't replaced all the fluids, haven't checked all my lines, haven't fixed all the little problems, haven't changed oil/spark plugs, BUT i would like to know about turboing my car." No, i came on the board already satisfied with my power output at the time and just really excited about owning a rotary and wanted to know some of teh different options to gain power and pros and cons of those options as well as just info on teh car. NOT TO MENTION, after someone said to me, "Well before you do anything, do a full tuneup" i didn't reply back with a, "WELL MY 4AGZE COROLLA COULD SPANK UR ROTARY ***."
Point being is that when someone has 1 post and that post is, "TURBO" or "NAAAWWZ", it isn't too hard to get the stereotypical impression that this guy doesn't respect rotaries. After he says, "My Integ could spank you guys," that not only reinforces the notion that he doesn't respect rotaries, but that he doesn't respect www.rx7club.com
Just my opinion. Take it for what it is worth.

Zachstylez

RotorMotorDriver

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By the way, do you have the car or not?

~T.J.

https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=222324

Northern 7

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Warning - don't over value the search function!
I've done a lot of searches over the years only to find out dated info that, in cases, will do more harm than good. It's always nice to hear a fresh perspective. Besides that, there are very few topics on this forum that have not been covered 50 times - if everyone were to search, there would be little if any posting. Sometimes it's nice to simply reply with the suggestion that the topic has been covered and a search may be in order - better yet, point the new guy in the right direction by attaching a thread that you know to be valuable on the discussion. IMO, that type of behaviour would be characteristic of a friendly, knowledgable forum.

Metallic_rock

Boy, did this thread take a Vicadin or what??

hondah8er

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MarkPerez

Get over it . and do me a favor don't take things to heart, ok . I've never crashed or have ever come close to it, and do you know why ?? Because i don't drive fast when the road conditions are poor, or my tires are on there last leg, or traffic is too thick. There are times when i go ******* nuts on the road, drag racing or on the freeways. but not at the risk of taking myself out or someone else.Timing is everything and i've been driving since i was 15 1/2, i'm 40 now. Hell my first car was a shelby mustang and i'm still a member of the ford drag club where i learned early on about safety/performance.
There are many more things one could be offended about, but not because i say some **** about someone being young. You'll get there, just don't kill yourself along the way. You don't have to respect me. But respect my sig. i've got the best of both worlds,,, as far as a 1st gen. Turbos burn up rotory engines. I agree with T.J. on just about all bases. Love me or hate me,
i couldn't give a **** !! OK ?? cool.. Now back to the front,,,,over.

BrianHeston

Has anyone noticed that B18 isn't even responding to any of this?

I don't know if I'd bother coming back to a forum for answers after the initial response he got... I'm glad to see that it turned around and became more along the lines of the helpfull forum that I joined a year+ ago, but I think that in this case it may have been too little too late. Think about why YOU joined the forum, and some of the "stupid" questions you asked before 75000 people told YOU to use the search feature. I know that when I first started, it took me a while to get people to respond with usefull information, but they didn't try to publicly castrate me either. With all the time we've been wasting latley in empty threads, upping our post whoring counts, you think we'd have time to help the guy out, even if he does come off with a little attitude. Throwing that back in his face is just going to make him hate the "rotary elitists" that much more.

OK, I'm done with my rant too,
Brian Heston

rx7passion

im interested in his old car, i didnt read everything he wrote but if it can spank most turbo rotarys i want to see some sort of proof of the power it was putting down. cause i have seen lots of turbo b18's and even ones with superchargers that were hardly pushing 200hp. good for a 14-15 sec 1/4mi with lots of one wheel tire spin
ill give him some props though for going from wrong wheel drive to right wheel drive (rwd).