New STB owner of a GL-SE 84 with 60k miles.....
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From: Columbia, SC
New STB owner of a GL-SE 84 with 60k miles.....
What is worth it? I wanna make this thing run? I have heard of a shop called rotarsports and was wondering if they do good work. Also what would you recommend and the pricing?
I have heard of 2 thigns, and anybody with actual PRICING please post! THanks
1)TII swap -> how fast will the car run in the 1/4?
2) Cosmo swap-> same question as above?
I would like the pricing if anyone can provide?
I have heard of 2 thigns, and anybody with actual PRICING please post! THanks
1)TII swap -> how fast will the car run in the 1/4?
2) Cosmo swap-> same question as above?
I would like the pricing if anyone can provide?
First off, sounds like you have a great car to start with.
A 13bt swap price is much depending on its purpose. Figuring out how much you want to spend is the main question
Engine:
1. You could build a good stock TII setup for around 3k. TII turbo, manifold, efi, etc. With some mods you can get 250hp. SE drivetrain will take around 250hp max being relatively conservitive on shifting and such.
2. Build what you want and not settle for less you could easily spend over 10k. Rebuilt and ported engine, Bigger turbo, manifold, wastegate, BOV, FMIC, Stand alone EFI, bigger injectors, upgraded cooling, TII tranny, Ford 9" or torsen, etc. etc. etc.
The sky is really the limit when it comes to how far you want to go. There is alot involved with this swap and much info to be acquired. I personally would not pay someone to do this. Doing it yourself will give you MUCH more control of your vehicles ability and understanding.
Good luck....oh ya and if ya do it you will LOVE IT!!!!
A 13bt swap price is much depending on its purpose. Figuring out how much you want to spend is the main question
Engine:
1. You could build a good stock TII setup for around 3k. TII turbo, manifold, efi, etc. With some mods you can get 250hp. SE drivetrain will take around 250hp max being relatively conservitive on shifting and such.
2. Build what you want and not settle for less you could easily spend over 10k. Rebuilt and ported engine, Bigger turbo, manifold, wastegate, BOV, FMIC, Stand alone EFI, bigger injectors, upgraded cooling, TII tranny, Ford 9" or torsen, etc. etc. etc.
The sky is really the limit when it comes to how far you want to go. There is alot involved with this swap and much info to be acquired. I personally would not pay someone to do this. Doing it yourself will give you MUCH more control of your vehicles ability and understanding.
Good luck....oh ya and if ya do it you will LOVE IT!!!!
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From: CHARLOTTE
You may be asking about Rotor Sports Racing owned by Brian Smith which is in Kannapolis just North of Charlotte. The website address is www.rotorsportsracing.com or phone # is 704 933 6222.
I have had a fair amt. of repair work done there. They do much performance work. Brian and Scott are extremely knowledgeable RX-7 mechanics. I trust them. This is the only model they work on. They have been around since 1981. I recall his labor rate is $60/hr. which is about $20-30 less than a dealer. He has an online questionaire that you can fill out and tell him what you want and he will reply to you. I just tried to get to the website but his server must be having trouble. Sorry I do not have price lists for him.
I have had a fair amt. of repair work done there. They do much performance work. Brian and Scott are extremely knowledgeable RX-7 mechanics. I trust them. This is the only model they work on. They have been around since 1981. I recall his labor rate is $60/hr. which is about $20-30 less than a dealer. He has an online questionaire that you can fill out and tell him what you want and he will reply to you. I just tried to get to the website but his server must be having trouble. Sorry I do not have price lists for him.
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Here's what I've already posted in the TII monster thread.
Well to keep the thread alive I'll post my TII swap plans and hope you TII guys let me know if you see any problems.
My car is an 84 GSL-SE and the donor is an 88 AE TII with a blown motor. Going for an emissions legal stock setup with moderate intake, exhaust, and fuel pump mods. Looking for 200-220 hp with max of 8-10 psi boost. Pretty sure in Texas we can install the same year or newer engine as long as the emissions components are kept. Even those emissions components (downpipe/cat) can be changed out as long as they perform the same or better and are functionally equivalent.
Here's The Plan:
(1) Get the TII engine rebuilt with no porting. Mod the front cover for turbo oil drain. Port the turbo wastegate. Install the GSL-SE front cover, oil pan and oil pickup. Replace the fuel pulsation damper. Remove the OMP crap and set-up for premix.
(2) TII ecu and EM harness along with a modified front harness all taken from the donor. Check all wires before install. Have the injectors cleaned. Clean up and check all the sensors, emissions crap and throttle body.
(3) TII tranny with the SE shifter housing and modified shift tube. Install new shifter bushings. Any seals I should replace on the tranny?
(4) Mount the FC coil packs and fuse block.
(5) Run the front engine harness wires.
(6) Fab and install a 2 diode ecu self checker somewhere in the dash--that'll be kinda nice.
(7) Install engine/tranny with new engine mounts. That means some kind of custom tranny mount mods and a modified driveshaft. Install the TII ECU, EM harness and FCD. And yea all the other misc. sensors and minor crap.
(8) Use the existing FC exhaust till I can afford the RP downpipe/high flow cat and the RB powerpulse 84/85 muffler. Will need a 2-1/2" X 2" adapter to go from the cat to the stock connecting pipe.
(9) Use the existing GSL-SE filter box setup till I can afford a custom built K+N cold air intake setup--if it will fit up (BIG ?? here).
(10) Install a WRX sti hood scoop for the TMIC. Fab/install an air splitter for turbo side cooling and a dual path inlet duct for the IC.
(11) Install a boost gauge and pod.
Note step 12 must be done before the engine break-in period expires--i.e. keep it below 4000 rpm and no boost.
(12) Use the existing GSL-SE fuel pump setup till end of break-in. Then install a walbro 255 inline pump. Install the TII fuel pump relay and resistor with heavy gauge wire to the pump.
The order isn't exact but I think major stuff is ok.
All total I'm looking at about $3500 including the donor car, the SE was $1500. Surely will earn some of that back by parting the rest of the car. So in total I'm at about $5000 for a TII GSL-SE in good shape with a fresh rebuilt engine--that isn't too bad.
I've been pretty good about planning the wiring changes so I'll post the schematics when I know it will work.
Well guys, let me know if you see anything big I missed or if there are any problems with the setup.
Thanks for your advice, Scott
My car is an 84 GSL-SE and the donor is an 88 AE TII with a blown motor. Going for an emissions legal stock setup with moderate intake, exhaust, and fuel pump mods. Looking for 200-220 hp with max of 8-10 psi boost. Pretty sure in Texas we can install the same year or newer engine as long as the emissions components are kept. Even those emissions components (downpipe/cat) can be changed out as long as they perform the same or better and are functionally equivalent.
Here's The Plan:
(1) Get the TII engine rebuilt with no porting. Mod the front cover for turbo oil drain. Port the turbo wastegate. Install the GSL-SE front cover, oil pan and oil pickup. Replace the fuel pulsation damper. Remove the OMP crap and set-up for premix.
(2) TII ecu and EM harness along with a modified front harness all taken from the donor. Check all wires before install. Have the injectors cleaned. Clean up and check all the sensors, emissions crap and throttle body.
(3) TII tranny with the SE shifter housing and modified shift tube. Install new shifter bushings. Any seals I should replace on the tranny?
(4) Mount the FC coil packs and fuse block.
(5) Run the front engine harness wires.
(6) Fab and install a 2 diode ecu self checker somewhere in the dash--that'll be kinda nice.
(7) Install engine/tranny with new engine mounts. That means some kind of custom tranny mount mods and a modified driveshaft. Install the TII ECU, EM harness and FCD. And yea all the other misc. sensors and minor crap.
(8) Use the existing FC exhaust till I can afford the RP downpipe/high flow cat and the RB powerpulse 84/85 muffler. Will need a 2-1/2" X 2" adapter to go from the cat to the stock connecting pipe.
(9) Use the existing GSL-SE filter box setup till I can afford a custom built K+N cold air intake setup--if it will fit up (BIG ?? here).
(10) Install a WRX sti hood scoop for the TMIC. Fab/install an air splitter for turbo side cooling and a dual path inlet duct for the IC.
(11) Install a boost gauge and pod.
Note step 12 must be done before the engine break-in period expires--i.e. keep it below 4000 rpm and no boost.
(12) Use the existing GSL-SE fuel pump setup till end of break-in. Then install a walbro 255 inline pump. Install the TII fuel pump relay and resistor with heavy gauge wire to the pump.
The order isn't exact but I think major stuff is ok.
All total I'm looking at about $3500 including the donor car, the SE was $1500. Surely will earn some of that back by parting the rest of the car. So in total I'm at about $5000 for a TII GSL-SE in good shape with a fresh rebuilt engine--that isn't too bad.
I've been pretty good about planning the wiring changes so I'll post the schematics when I know it will work.
Well guys, let me know if you see anything big I missed or if there are any problems with the setup.
Thanks for your advice, Scott
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