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Old 02-20-09, 04:16 PM
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I think I have found a dirt cheap 12a (85 GS) car to buy. I'm wanting to make a street/ autoX car. What are you guys running as far as set ups and how competitive are you. Im more interested in cars that are still street driven as well. Also, how many are autoXing without LSD? Pics welcome!
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i'm just starting, but i'm going with something similar to kentetsu's setup. full respeed coilovers 275 150. tokico illuminas all around. will tell you how it is afterwards.

I've got a stock suspension and you can feel how bad it is. so i'll do a video once its done probably. maybe before and after?
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before and after would be awesome
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The stock suspension is actually quite good, IMO. Having an LSD is fun, but I don't think you'll see much benefit with one on the AutoX. That mainly helps with drifting.
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I'm running

RB Springs
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RB Swaybars front and rear
RB Street Port Exhaust (complete)
Sterling Carb on ported manifold
ISC Racing Airbox with K&N

Non go-fast mods:
AWR Aluminum Rad
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Open Diff with Drum Brakes and I still took third place in e-class in 2007 (didn't race 2k8 because of electrical issues)!

I haven't had a chance to get on the track since I got my ReSpeed Rack and Pinion last year - can't wait!

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Originally Posted by Super82
Having an LSD is fun, but I don't think you'll see much benefit with one on the AutoX. That mainly helps with drifting.
I hope you're joking.
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Originally Posted by drewski86
I hope you're joking.
I know it helps with lauches and such, and keeping your inside wheel from spinning, but in the real world I don't think you'd see much of a difference in lap times between a GS and GSL that are equiped the same. Whereas with drifting there is a huge difference. It would be a worth while mod otherwise, but if he is worrying about being competitive there are better things to be doing.

Of course I have no experience outside of my GSL so I could be wrong.
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What are people paying for sterling carbs and are they "plug and play"?
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^Yeah, very much so. You'll need to change your fuel pump, but after that you shouldn't require much tuning.

You can find his pricing at www.sterlingmetalworks.com
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I know it helps with lauches and such, and keeping your inside wheel from spinning...
And traction at corner exit. Can you not see the benefit of even just one of these? In autocross it comes down to traction(all things being equal) and having two wheels to help rather than one is always better. Drive as open-diff car and you will be amazed at how much better lsd is for traction.
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Originally Posted by Super82
I know it helps with lauches and such, and keeping your inside wheel from spinning, but in the real world I don't think you'd see much of a difference in lap times between a GS and GSL that are equiped the same. Whereas with drifting there is a huge difference. It would be a worth while mod otherwise, but if he is worrying about being competitive there are better things to be doing.

Of course I have no experience outside of my GSL so I could be wrong.
GSL are running faster laptimes than the GS models. Go to a club race in your area and see. My car is in ITA/7 and all the open diff ITA cars have a hard time keeping up with me exiting a very hard corner and going up a incline on the track. Traction is key in auto racing. If you cannot apply the power to the pavement then the guy next to you will and then the podium finish goal is harder to reach. Also remember the "driver mod" is a great mod to have.
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lsd adds so much more traction. I can totally feel it going up my gf hill in the rain. sure it will tend to kick the rear end out more, but i get tons more traction than my friend's open diff fc.
Too bad mine (LSD) is going out. The clutches are worn. will rebuild soon. it sucks when you can feel the clutches completely give out.
Old 02-20-09, 06:50 PM
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Yeah, the whole open diff/ drum brake thing makes me want to reconsider the car Im looking at, steal or not.
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im running F-Prepared this season

Stock port 12A
Gutted, just have the dash and drivers seat
Holley
RB Intake/header/exhaust
tokico blues
re-speed Street/Race Coil Overs
LSD rear
No rear sway bar

just waiting on my 13x7 diamond racing wheels and slicks and i will be set.


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Originally Posted by lx_machado
im running F-Prepared this season

Stock port 12A
Gutted, just have the dash and drivers seat
Holley
RB Intake/header/exhaust
re-speed Street/Race Coil Overs
No rear sway bar

just waiting on my 13x7 diamond racing wheels and slicks and i will be set.

Why FP and not SSM or SM2? Is it because the lack of the interior?
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Yeah, the whole open diff/ drum brake thing makes me want to reconsider the car Im looking at, steal or not.
Just locate a GSL read end. Easy 1 day swap.
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Originally Posted by mazda6guy
Why FP and not SSM or SM2? Is it because the lack of the interior?
yup, this will be my first season and i was told due to my lack of interior i will fall in to FP. not really looking to be competitive this season, i just want to go out and have fun
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Originally Posted by lx_machado
yup, this will be my first season and i was told due to my lack of interior i will fall in to FP. not really looking to be competitive this season, i just want to go out and have fun
Wow that means i just upped my FB into FP for the 09 solo2 season. Oh well time to **** some cones!
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lsd maks a huge difference in autocross. Nothing is more frustrating than having that inside wheel spinning all the way through a big sweeper. Easier to kick the rear end out, but easier to control it also. It really ups the fun factor on the car.

You can usually find a complete rear end for around 3 hundred, and an evening or weekend will get it done, depending on how much time you spend cleaning it up, painting etc.

Check out some of my videos if you want to see my setup (link in signature line). I think she's doing alright, I couldn't be happier with the handling and performance of the car now. Started out with the Racing Beat stuff, but later upgraded to the Respeed equipment. Would have saved myself a lot of time and money if I had just done it right the first time.

Check out www.re-speed.com great people to deal with.

Most of the information on my car is listed in my sig line, but if you have specific questions feel free to shoot me a PM.

Sterling carbs, not sure on the going rate, but well worth the money and wait. Great customer service and after sale support.




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OK, Im at home now and getting stoked again about the project. Kentetsu your videos get me excited about autox, even though ive never done it!
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Autocross is great man! Where else can you go somewhere, borrow a helmet, pay 20 bucks, and drive your car like you stole it without the fear of cops hassling you. Not many ways you can screw up either. The worst you can do in a parking lot is spin out, and maybe put a flat spot on a tire.
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Kentetsu can you post pics of your 13x8's on your car? i want to see how far they stick out past the fender
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agreed i want to see the pics, first i thought you said video
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Originally Posted by lx_machado
Kentetsu can you post pics of your 13x8's on your car? i want to see how far they stick out past the fender
I run 15x8 diamond racing wheels so here is a pict that will give you an idea of how far a 8 inch wheel sticks out. I will have to measure the backspacing I do not remember that.





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