Delta7

With all the v-8 swaps going into 3ed-gen's these days, i have a chance of getting a good deal on a twin turbo eng. trans, wireing harness and ecu. I know there are Tll swaps into first Gen's. Is it about the same amount of work to install a 13BRE ? Any & all comments are welcome.

Max7

it's about the same amount of work if you use a T2 turbo and exhaust manifold, using the stock twins would be a bit more work.
Other than that, the same stuff in a T2 swap would work for the RE swap.

dean23

are u talking about the REW (3rd gen) or RE (renesis)???

DriftFB

Yeah, that needs to be clarified.

One is obtainable with money
The other is obtainable with money x 2

blown7

I know the 13B-REW was in third gens but i thought that a 13B-RE was from the cosmo (being the small engine they offered for that car other than the 20B). correct me if i'm wrong.

Directfreak

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13BT = 2 Rotor Engine, single Turbo, used in FC Turbos. There are two versions of it. Depends on the year.
13B-RE = Cosmo 2 Rotor Engine (Came with smaller twin turbos - smaller than FD Twins)
13B-REW = FD engine with Twin Turbos.
20B-RE = Cosmo 3 Rotor Engine, interestingly enough - also with Twin Turbos, although one of the two turbos was significantly larger. About the size of a stock S5 Turbo.

Delta7

Sorry about that, i ment 13B REW from a 3rd Gen. Anyone in the Greater New Orleans area with a simalar swap that i could check out ?

XLR8

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There is a "how to" in the archive. I will be performing the same swap myself.

XLR8

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In the writeup I noticed the individual made an engine cradle to use the center style motor mounts from the later 13b turbo's.

I am wondering if a GSL-se front cover will bolt up to an REW, or if it is in some way different from S4-S5 TII engines and will not bolt up for using the front style motor mounts?

Everything else seems straight forward. Tranny can be easily fabricated by using the FB mount and crossmember with some spacers and new holes for boltup....not hard.

From there, it depends on what intake/turbo setup you want. I think the stock twins are crap and will definatly be going single. Also if you want to use the stock wiring harness and Power FC or want to redo the wiring with a Haltech or Motech.

Personally, I will be running a 62-1 with a Motech. Looking for around 400whp.

trochoid

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Iirc, the REW uses a crank angle position sensor for ignition. Swaping to the SE cover loses that, making the 3rd gen ecu unuseable. Since you are going standalone, that point is moot. You will need to figure some way to hook up the mop rod or go premix. I also suggest the install of the RB engine torque brace to reduce flex through the block.

steve84GS TII

Ah,thats a little different then.

I didnt chime in right away since when someone says "13B-REW swap",I automatically assume a complete REW engine with twins and ECU.Thats not an easy swap to pull off,although it is a very powerful and capable engine in a light 1st gen. Living in smog land,CA....Im not used to seeing standalones.

The Microtech will basically solve all your problems.The front cover,mounting,wiring,ignition,ect........but it also (in my book), turns an REW into just another turbo 13B.The twins,crank-fired ignition and mondo torque is what defines an REW from a 13BT.

That said,your job should be quite easy,straightforward. Most tips/tricks for installing a 13BT into the 1st gen,will apply since your losing all the 3rd gen specific turbos/control gear........making 400HP will be a breeze with that engine/turbo combination.....Just a matter of tuning.

XLR8

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Thanks. The brace is a good idea. I will also be premixing.

The CAS can still be used with the SE front cover if I go Motec , just not with the factory ECU, correct? I know the S4 & S5 TII CAS's will work on an SE front cover. Is the REW the same or am I misunderstanding?

Thanks for all the help.

XLR8

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Yeah....Mircrotech. For some reason I always say Motec.....

I have been around a Haltech E6X and Mircrotech LT-8, I definatly liked the Mircrotech better. Much better base map, and the interface seemed much more friendly. Granted, I will be taking it to Gotham Racing for tuning since I'm close.

As far as the REW goes, I just like the engine. I have a good friend that did a S5 in a FB and another friend do a S5 in a T2 and, they both worked out well. I just want to do something a little different.

Thanks for all the help.

steve84GS TII

The REW has its pickups directly on the front of the E-shaft,instead of running off a gear driven crank angle sensor (distributor).
The crank fired ignition is more direct,with less chance of timing deviation due to gear deflection,ect.Plus,its one less accessory for the engine to spin.....

kevinbtz

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Exactly, thats why I used the stock 3rd gen front cover in my swap. It also let me use the stock ecu and then move on to the plug and play power fc wich is very user friendy and dependable.

z-beater

I don't know if I am too late or not but here is what I did...

I used the Stock GSL-SE front cover and then used a 2nd gen CAS. You all are right, the stock pickups on the 3rd gen are on the front cover.

All the bolt holes from the SE front cover match up with the FD motor except one. I just made sure that I sealed the front cover really well.

Hope that helps.