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Old Dec 11, 2006 | 06:29 PM
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I'm pretty sure DirectFreak's 7 would do that.
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Old Dec 11, 2006 | 10:54 PM
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yeah i'm hopeing for a good race. I'm going to meet up with him in a bit to go over what he has and what i've got and try to make a nice little thing happen.

I'm gonna get some cheater slicks for the race, and the back suspension is raceingbeat springs and tokico illumina 5 way adjustable and every poly ureth bushing available to man for the first gen sus. the only reason i'm really considering this race is because , I've seen this exact turbo setup on another first gen although it had no suspension, full interior, sound system and 2 people *me and the driver and bald tires( and we've pulled up on a twin turbo g35* the owner of SUPer VIP ( in alhambra and---- i'm not sure what that car was running HP wise but i'm sure that car was built in everyway popping out with a fat *** intercooler and at open wastegate it was scary.. anyways we ran him at 12 psi and * i'm not going to say we beat him but I"M also not going to lie when I say he wasnt no more then 2 feet ahead. I could only see half of his rim as we were raceing down huntington so. after the race we spoke for a bit and he was all bragging about how he a smashed on a new 505hp ls7 which we took as true cause DAmn that car was sick but the point is if we were that close on him whats going to happen when i race in my mid modded car.


also forgettting to mention that i'm running a haltech e6X so i'm thinking 1. i got the motor off a front clip rhd,, and i've done all the work ground up . milage was about 53,--- miles so i' think i should be cool. 2. replaced all the seals and rebuilt the rear end( pops grad gift) but thats it.. i'll keep you posted maybe i could record it.
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Old Dec 11, 2006 | 11:11 PM
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Yes record it.
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 12:00 AM
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Ur going to blow up the rear end if its the stock one if your actually running enough power to keep up with a Z06. The stocker is only good to about 250hp, then if you hook up at all it'll just tear up the rear end, expecially with a turbo.
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 02:29 AM
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We need pics of your car. From all angles. Inside/Outside and engine compartment...

BTW - a Twin Turbo G35/350Z is a slow Pig...
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 03:36 AM
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an 06 vette is 3130 less driver fuel and fluids. Pretty sure the 04's are a little heavier So I'd assume you've probably got almost 1000lbs on him.

And if your a road and track super driver you can squeeze a 12.40 out of an 04 zo6. I've seen the avg joe pull high 13's all day long at the track though so don't worry. I doubt the guy your racing is john force material.

So lets say your a fat *** and your weigh'n in at 2800 lbs total with you in the car.

The ET / MPH computed from your vehicle weight of 2800 pounds and WHP of 300 is 12.26 seconds and MPH of 109.25 MPH.

Technically you should be able to beat him if you can get out a the hole. And your car is tuned correctly. (and if your only pushing 8lbs I'd guess your not!) See if he'll go from a roll if you don't have some drag radials.

Plus I'd bet your closer to 2500lbs.... Which comes out to an 11 sec slip with traction. (which will break things with a manual!)

Whats up with your combo? Why only 8lbs? Running factory injectors and pump? What are your fuel mods?

I'd get a WB02 and a knock sensor, then slap on some alcohol injection and run 15+lbs. Just make sure your fuel is there or you'll be rebuilding the motor quick!

Good luck, wish you were closer. If you lived local I could have U whoop'n up on zo6's all day long!

Good luck, you'll need it!
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 11:39 AM
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i have stock gsl-se injectors for my secondaries 720cc and i've the ability t0 put some 100 octane and an msd fuel pump (pretty good( i'm only running 8 pounds cause im just chillin on it i don't want anything to happen to it but for a little fun i'm putting iit up i'm not going to be a ***** and have all this and not put it up it's just the car is kinda new and i'm just getting started i'm smogging my car today so i'm going to get everything else later on today.

i'm also meeting with the the chevy later tonight to discuss the run.... peace i'll get a digi and take some flicks today.
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 11:46 AM
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What rear end and trans are in your car?
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 12:53 PM
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Stock rear ends have gone a lot faster than 12s and stood up to it, don't be so quick to dis the 7.5" she's stronger than you think.
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 12:56 PM
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Uhh, isn't it a 7" ring gear? Either way, the rear end and tranny are the weakest point in a 7. Granted they will stand up to a lot, but it all depends on how you drive. If you dump the clutch at 6000rpm with drag radials you will break the rear end or tranny.
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 13BT_RX3
If his engine is stock you will need more than 300HP to keep up.
Get some 8" or wider slicks!
Try to get rid of more weight.
How do you figure, power to weight is a "J" curve, as weight increases you need more and more power to match the lighter car, this is in part due to grip levels, drag and other factors that must be added in, I believe if you get the launch right you can be awfully close to an 04 Z06.

The slicks and weight removal will definately aid in your attempt.
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RollinRock
i have stock gsl-se injectors for my secondaries 720cc and i've the ability t0 put some 100 octane and an msd fuel pump (pretty good( i'm only running 8 pounds cause im just chillin on it i don't want anything to happen to it but for a little fun i'm putting iit up i'm not going to be a ***** and have all this and not put it up it's just the car is kinda new and i'm just getting started i'm smogging my car today so i'm going to get everything else later on today.

i'm also meeting with the the chevy later tonight to discuss the run.... peace i'll get a digi and take some flicks today.
Not really a matter of being a "*****", without the right gauges to watch a/f and knock it just doesn't make sense to run high boost at all. Even a tiny bit of detonation will kill a rotary. We blew my buddy 50k original mile 3rd gen rx up by cranking the boost up to 12lbs without adding fuel.

At minimum I'd get a walbro 255 fuel pump and add at least 2 additional 850 cc injectors with some sort of AIC piggy back controller. Then add a progressive alcohol kit to control help with high boost and detonation.

Other wise your a ticking time bomb.

Good luck!

something like this....






http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Exter...spagenameZWDVW

http://www.alcohol-injection.com/
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 03:20 PM
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assuming equally skilled drivers, the FB would still lose on both auto-x and the drags. you guys give the FB too much credit sometimes.
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 05:26 PM
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^ And not enough credit to the Corvette. I love the sevens and there are those on this forum that could stand toe to toe and beat the mentioned corvette. But it's in two different classes.
The corvette is what it is and 7 is what it is.
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 05:45 PM
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I got it, borrow directfreaks car, . I win. .
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 09:57 PM
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^ And not enough credit to the Corvette. I love the sevens and there are those on this forum that could stand toe to toe and beat the mentioned corvette. But it's in two different classes.
The corvette is what it is and 7 is what it is.
Exactly - any Z06 or C6 is not a pushover by ANY means. Bring your "A" game.
Oh, and I think based on your setup - you're gonna lose.

I don't know where some people got their figures from, but an 04 Z06 can trap in the 115 mph no problem. The 06's ones in the mid 120's. Bone Stock.
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 11:23 PM
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^ And not enough credit to the Corvette. I love the sevens and there are those on this forum that could stand toe to toe and beat the mentioned corvette. But it's in two different classes.
The corvette is what it is and 7 is what it is.
No ****!
I just dont get all this one-upsmanship with the old and new.Yes,there will always be those rivalries between Domestic and Import,new and old,piston and rotors.....but hey,if I had to choose between a modded,25 year old,modestly capable sportscar....and a state-of-the-art example of the ruthlessly powerful and reliable sportscars of today?......sorry,Id take the Vette.

If its just about bragging that you beat a newer car in a race,then hell.......Im building a Model T that can smoke your Enzo......if I win,do I become some sort of God!?.....nope,just a penny-less chump that coulda bought that Enzo with all the dough I just spent.
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 11:24 PM
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The C6's are in a whole other league compared to even the C5 version. Nearly 100hp more than the C5. The C5 is no slouch as said, but its kinda slow compared to a C6.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 01:06 AM
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I'm with you guys, I don't think you'll win at all. THe new vettes are amazing. They look good, state of the art technology, and great power. Get it recorded though, anything could happen, a lot of stuff depends on how you drive too.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 02:22 AM
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plain fact ur racing a poney against a thoroughbred your car is not up to scale..
but i would say race him for fun cause thats what its about... and then show us how it went

otherwise u have ur awnsers on the first page lol u got dough...
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by d0 Luck
assuming equally skilled drivers, the FB would still lose on both auto-x and the drags. you guys give the FB too much credit sometimes.
Depends on who's 7 your talking about.


I spank the crapola out'a Z06's on a regular basis in my FC. Theres just to much of a power to weight difference.

Then again, I'd trade my FC in a heart beat for the vette's and cobra's I've beat. But thats not the point. I'm still ahead at the end of the track.

The question was do you think i can win in a race. Not which car is superior.

I wish I had put the engine in my FC in the FB ever time I look at the two of them in the garage.

If you do the math and his car is even making 280 hp he should be close. If I had his setup and it was tuned in I'd put my money on the 7 all the way.

Of course the vette is a nicer car, but thats not the question.

Also I thinkthe low torque 7's hook exceptionally well on the street compared to the torque monster vette that will more than likely blow the tires off.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 04:06 AM
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Let me just say this "anything can happen on the street". street is totally different then racing on track. Depending on the driver I think u'll win if u get some more fuel and up the boost.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Directfreak
I don't know where some people got their figures from, but an 04 Z06 can trap in the 115 mph no problem. The 06's ones in the mid 120's. Bone Stock.

Me, I just get my facts and figures from reading Motor Trend (altho I had to go to Car and Driver for these statistics). I don't like posting false info without proper research. It was hard for me to research an '04 C5 Z06 since the brand new '06 C6 Z06 just came out. So, if you're refering to me, I'm just writing down what I've read and trying to give as best of an idea for the guy so that he's not caught by surprised and know what to come up against.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 08:58 AM
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i guess i've got myself a nice race to have. SOUNDs LIke IT!!!! well for sure i'm going down with it, i'm not sure with the EXacT specs, but i'm pretty sure i'm pumping out at least 275 at 8psi. Cheats slicks went on yesterday and so did the smog. so i'm on the streets . Probably going to go get it dyno'd and take some flicks so make sure to check back later.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 10:18 AM
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