I like being a bitter old ***! :-) It's a "Earned" right! lol

Yes I will still prod them to think on their own.

 

I'm more musty than bitter, I think. With overtones of peat and oak.

[soapbox]
I can't help but wonder how some folks would have gotten by in the pre-internet days, when the sum total of available Rotary knowledge was the three published manuals (Petersen, Chilton, and Mazda OEM if you could find one), three out-of-print specialty books, the limited knowledge you could pry out of the local Mazda parts guy... and what you could figure out on your own.

This forum, both the accumulated threads and the access to dozens of "bitter old asses" who have found out the hard way where the sharp edges are, is a treasure trove I would have given body parts for, back when I first started trying to care for my SA. IMO it's sadly under-appreciated by people who can't be bothered to "think before typing."

And a little humorous banter adds flavor to the mix. It creates a feeling of fraternity and a sense of belonging not just to an infoservice but to an actual group of real people who share a common interest.

Granted, one person's "friendly jape" can be another's "condescending and unfriendly remark," but that's an issue of human nature, not forum practice.

In lo, my many years of aimless wandering this earth, both virtual and physical, I have yet to ever enter into a gathering of people who share a common interest in a complex subject, and NOT see some mechanism at work for sorting out the kids from the goats, and for showing the new arrivals the ropes via both carrot and stick. And for homogenization of practice through a negative feedback mechanism, that being the only kind that actually works as any engineer can tell you.

Neighborhood, schoolyard, youth clubs, religious orgs, college, military, workplace, directors' boards, political organizations, adult interest groups & clubs of every stripe I've ever encountered, all have shown the same common traits, to greater or lesser degree:
Differentiation of purpose
Organization of hierarchy via ability/knowledge/experience
Common practices/traditions
Enforcement of mores, both formal and informal
Side chatter & off-topic socializing

Not all of 'em were planned to work this way, but I can't recall a single 'society' I've ever participated in that didn't have all of these as part of it.

[/soapbox]

 

Thanks Maslow

 

Singlemalt, blended, or pure malt? Just curious!

 

Speyside or Highland Single Malt, ye heathen!

Oh, wait,... was that excessively curmudgeonish?

 

yes! actually its kind of strange, i built my first engine before DVD's were invented, and i don't really see why you'd need it... rotary engine is built exactly like a big mac...

anyway, half the fun is figuring out why/how these things work, and its been really neat to see why they did some things, and then thru things like sevenstock actually MEET the people who did it.

the how to remove rats nest followed by my car doesn't run right, is um lame. the rats nest does like 4 things, its SIMPLE......

oh and we did a whiskey tasting in ireland, and they were very happy to point out all the ways scotch whisky was inferior... its even spelled differently =)

 

... Wait... What? I thought that the "13B S1" was the tuned intake 13B that was in the GSL-SE FBs? "Series 2 13B" being the variable intake cars and so on... I might be mixing my nomenclature; but to cite a previously stated point, there's few authoritative facts that stand out among the miscellany of threads.


I might be wrong (see above, again) but I could swear that there were revisions of the 12A that were "factory" fuel injected? I have also heard, as a tangent, that there were designed-for-throttle-body intake manifolds for the 12A? Again, I may be wrong.

A RB squarebore manifold, the GM throttle body, fuel pump and MS2 together are a pretty "serious" investment for something that may not even work. :P

I think your experience is a good summary of the whole. I think we need some better reference tools.

 

search n00b! j/k the only FACTORY fuel injected 12A was the 12A turbo. the 6 port 12A is still carbureted.

the 12A turbo EFI, does sorta look like a carburetor, however the injectors are in the center iron like a gsl-se.

in the US the easy way is to run a GSL-SE center iron, and factory type efi, or some kind of throttle body injection, like the RB/gm throttle body, or the weber style ones.

it depends on if you have the engine apart or not i guess

 

Series 1s were all carbureted 12As. So were series 2s (in the US). Series 3 had a version of the 6-port fuel injected 13B as used in Japanese luxury cars, in the GSL-SE.

Like j9fd3s said, the only factory injected 12As were the Turbo models, which were never officially exported anywhere. TBI is a different story - you can put throttle body injection on anything. If you have a Weber-style sidedraft or downdraft manifold, or a Holley manifold, there are bolt-on aftermarket throttle bodies. However, I am of the opinion that TBI is the worst of both worlds: wet manifold and poor atomization.

You *can*, however, use a GSL-SE center housing (or 12AT - but GSL-SE is much easier to find!), the bottom half of a 12A two-piece sidedraft intake manifold, and a GSL-SE upper plenum and runners, to make an OEM-esque injected 12A.

Most of the FAQ-esque info I learned about rotaries, I got from the Felix Miata website. I wonder if it's still around.

 

please lock this thread and ban them all

 

I hereby ban myself from giving any more useful information except the word "SEARCH"! LOL

 

... And this is precisely the kind of counterproductivity that caused this thread to be created in the first place. (And by the way, WackyRicer: I'm glad to see you post a message that doesn't call into question someone's sexual preference. Good job.)

There have been several "Truths" established within this thread. If one does not engage the "argument" (Argument = Claim + reason, etc.) then it's a back-alley agreement to the "Truths" that were established.

Some of those points are, but are not limited to:
Be kind. (Be more constructive and tolerant with your "forum use" criticisms, etc.)
The reference tools could be more productive.
The level of "authoritative" answers that exist within linked content do not always provide clarity. (As in discourse without resolution, not the numerous dead links, vanished pictures, etc.)
You veteran members of the fori are a valuable resource, and the expectation is that when problems are brought to your attention that something be done-- Something as little as demonstrating courtesy or hospitality. If I were a firing a punt out into the darkness by myself I wouldn't expect to be given the time of day, but as others have essentially chimed in on the same side of the issue as I have, I think that the points raised are valid.

And, for the third and a half time: The productive things that you ("veterans," etc.) do are needed and welcome. Thank you.

 

Agreed.

Some post I see I think "wow dude, just go outside and do it." Rather than cluttering up the place even more with "go search" replies I simply ignore the post. There is a wealth of knowledge here and the first gen section in particular is full of a great group of guys.

For the new guys, before asking a question go bust some knuckles. If you get stuck buy a chiltons manual. Then bust more knuckles. After that If you get really stuck search the archives. The search function does blow a bit so you may not find the answer in the first few post, or "seconds of looking". Spend a minute and read deeper. Then, bust more knuckles.

I guarantee you the answers can be found and more than likely it will be answered by some one who has been there and figured it out by actually doing it.

Theres a lot to be said for pre-internet rotary enthusiast. That is how I learned 95% of what I know about these cars.

-billy

 

I was just trying to make a point in saying, that there is a between helping a member out (even if it means just trying to get them to search or think from themselves) and being an ***.

I enjoy the way most shops seem to go about it, everyone cracks jokes at each other and puts each other down for fun, but at the end of the day you'll learn a thing or two and have a few laughs.

Or you could just be like that grumpy old guy in the back corner who wears a hazmat suit to do anything on a car and be grouchy about everything?