Prepare to be upset! (84 RX-7 RIP)
08-28-09, 11:35 PM
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Even if he would have offered free trades is would have been better. Imagine this: trade you my perfect seats for your ripped up rotten seats. that would have been great.
08-29-09, 12:54 AM
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With all the buzz about Cash for Clunkers, it’s easy to think that it was a great way for people to get a better set of wheels. But was it really? No way! Cash for Clunkers was simply a way for broke people to buy cars that they really couldn't afford. It was a bad idea on multiple levels. But before digging into that, let’s take a little history lesson.
08-29-09, 09:40 AM
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There are lower income people who cannot afford new cars... If you have spend any time at a "pick a pull" you see lower income people who are scrounging for parts to keep their clunkers alive....know why??? Because a clunker is all they can afford. Now you are taking fewer cars to the junkyard because they are getting crushed...if they are not being crushed, the engines are no good...you see where I am going with this.
Now Charities that would normally be getting these cars to help less fortunate people are not getting these cars... I have spent a lot of time in lesser developed countries.... We could have sold or even given these cars to these lesser fortunate people...
Now I am a conservative NRA member, christian, heavily involved in the republican party person.... Liberals are "supposed" to be there to help the "little" guy...
Does this program sound like it is helping the little guy?? The poor fellow at the picka pull getting parts to keep his Astro van running??? Perfectly running vehicles going to charity to aid in the poor and old?? How 'bout helping poverished countries??? Helping the little man???? Do you hear me???
This program is affecting the little man alright....It is affecting ME a taxpaying hard working citizen by robbing me of my tax dollars to fund this abortion of a program...
Wow and I have only had one cup of coffee...I will stand down for now...
08-29-09, 11:27 AM
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I just hope that in 4 years people have not lost their jobs and can no longer pay for the new car.... the car goes back to the bank, now they have nothing.. Before they at least had a decent used and PAID OFF car.
There are lower income people who cannot afford new cars... If you have spend any time at a "pick a pull" you see lower income people who are scrounging for parts to keep their clunkers alive....know why??? Because a clunker is all they can afford. Now you are taking fewer cars to the junkyard because they are getting crushed...if they are not being crushed, the engines are no good...you see where I am going with this.
Now Charities that would normally be getting these cars to help less fortunate people are not getting these cars... I have spent a lot of time in lesser developed countries.... We could have sold or even given these cars to these lesser fortunate people...
Now I am a conservative NRA member, christian, heavily involved in the republican party person.... Liberals are "supposed" to be there to help the "little" guy...
Does this program sound like it is helping the little guy?? The poor fellow at the picka pull getting parts to keep his Astro van running??? Perfectly running vehicles going to charity to aid in the poor and old?? How 'bout helping poverished countries??? Helping the little man???? Do you hear me???
This program is affecting the little man alright....It is affecting ME a taxpaying hard working citizen by robbing me of my tax dollars to fund this abortion of a program...
Wow and I have only had one cup of coffee...I will stand down for now...
There are lower income people who cannot afford new cars... If you have spend any time at a "pick a pull" you see lower income people who are scrounging for parts to keep their clunkers alive....know why??? Because a clunker is all they can afford. Now you are taking fewer cars to the junkyard because they are getting crushed...if they are not being crushed, the engines are no good...you see where I am going with this.
Now Charities that would normally be getting these cars to help less fortunate people are not getting these cars... I have spent a lot of time in lesser developed countries.... We could have sold or even given these cars to these lesser fortunate people...
Now I am a conservative NRA member, christian, heavily involved in the republican party person.... Liberals are "supposed" to be there to help the "little" guy...
Does this program sound like it is helping the little guy?? The poor fellow at the picka pull getting parts to keep his Astro van running??? Perfectly running vehicles going to charity to aid in the poor and old?? How 'bout helping poverished countries??? Helping the little man???? Do you hear me???
This program is affecting the little man alright....It is affecting ME a taxpaying hard working citizen by robbing me of my tax dollars to fund this abortion of a program...
Wow and I have only had one cup of coffee...I will stand down for now...
Do you realize what our GNP is and that many missiles cost tens of millions of dollars each? How about the the .5 billion we spend a day occupuying a country half way across the world? I am ex military and I know first hand the amount of waste that goes on there. Three billion is chump change, nothing, nada. It makes no fifference in your taxes and probably repesents a fraction of a cent from the taxes you actually paid.
If we really want to get serious about reducing the national budget, there are plenty of wasteful programs that we can address that have no way of actually helping the average American. The three billion that has been spent so far actually has a chance of helping people get back to work even though you may not agree with it.
I'm sure some people got in over their heads as is always the case. From my experience, however, eveyone I know that took advantage of the program was waiting for the right time to buy a car that they had been planning to purchase for a while (I know five people who did this, and one that decided against it).
So, since I have not seen any evidence of statistics showing that people that cannot afford cars are the majority of the people that are buying them, and since I am only hearing stuff that has been regurgitated from the unfactual (and argueably racist) FOX news, I will take what you say into consideration with a grain of salt.
08-29-09, 11:35 AM
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What if that 7 gets recycled into metal and shipped off to Japan and becomes the body of the new 2011 RX7? That would be cool I guess. Fat chance. but there's a positive out of everything right? Just be glad that 7s are such great cars and most people are crushing old POS Pontiacs and Oldsmobiles.
08-29-09, 12:02 PM
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1. It's his car. He's free to crush it himself or sell it to Uncle Sam for $4500 or put retarded chrome 17" wheels on it. Yes, this point has been made in previous posts, but it's such a big one I thought it was worth mentioning twice.
2. It'S A CAR. Yes, it was very nice and pretty, and I liked it the way it was, but it's still a car.
3. Mazda sold about 400,000 first gen RX-7s in the states alone, so it's not liked he crushed a Lancia Stratos.
2. It'S A CAR. Yes, it was very nice and pretty, and I liked it the way it was, but it's still a car.
3. Mazda sold about 400,000 first gen RX-7s in the states alone, so it's not liked he crushed a Lancia Stratos.
08-29-09, 12:25 PM
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As stated many times.. This government program is stupid..
People who traded in their cars CAN'T afford new ones and only did this for a few months of enjoyment.
Give it 6 months to a year and we will all have picks of REPO'S with low mileage because of these individuals that traded in their clunkers to get cars they couldn't afford.
Think about it... car dealers have been doing anything over the last year to get people into dealerships and no one was going because they couldn't afford it..
L8R
People who traded in their cars CAN'T afford new ones and only did this for a few months of enjoyment.
Give it 6 months to a year and we will all have picks of REPO'S with low mileage because of these individuals that traded in their clunkers to get cars they couldn't afford.
Think about it... car dealers have been doing anything over the last year to get people into dealerships and no one was going because they couldn't afford it..
L8R
08-29-09, 06:27 PM
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I'm sure we all figured the above based on your posts so far. I do love how this thread went political. Let me make another assumption--you are white and watch FOX news?
Do you realize what our GNP is and that many missiles cost tens of millions of dollars each? How about the the .5 billion we spend a day occupuying a country half way across the world? I am ex military and I know first hand the amount of waste that goes on there. Three billion is chump change, nothing, nada. It makes no fifference in your taxes and probably repesents a fraction of a cent from the taxes you actually paid.
If we really want to get serious about reducing the national budget, there are plenty of wasteful programs that we can address that have no way of actually helping the average American. The three billion that has been spent so far actually has a chance of helping people get back to work even though you may not agree with it.
I'm sure some people got in over their heads as is always the case. From my experience, however, eveyone I know that took advantage of the program was waiting for the right time to buy a car that they had been planning to purchase for a while (I know five people who did this, and one that decided against it).
So, since I have not seen any evidence of statistics showing that people that cannot afford cars are the majority of the people that are buying them, and since I am only hearing stuff that has been regurgitated from the unfactual (and argueably racist) FOX news, I will take what you say into consideration with a grain of salt.
Do you realize what our GNP is and that many missiles cost tens of millions of dollars each? How about the the .5 billion we spend a day occupuying a country half way across the world? I am ex military and I know first hand the amount of waste that goes on there. Three billion is chump change, nothing, nada. It makes no fifference in your taxes and probably repesents a fraction of a cent from the taxes you actually paid.
If we really want to get serious about reducing the national budget, there are plenty of wasteful programs that we can address that have no way of actually helping the average American. The three billion that has been spent so far actually has a chance of helping people get back to work even though you may not agree with it.
I'm sure some people got in over their heads as is always the case. From my experience, however, eveyone I know that took advantage of the program was waiting for the right time to buy a car that they had been planning to purchase for a while (I know five people who did this, and one that decided against it).
So, since I have not seen any evidence of statistics showing that people that cannot afford cars are the majority of the people that are buying them, and since I am only hearing stuff that has been regurgitated from the unfactual (and argueably racist) FOX news, I will take what you say into consideration with a grain of salt.
I do want to thank you for serving our country in the military though....thanks!
08-30-09, 12:23 AM
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As stated many times.. This government program is stupid..
People who traded in their cars CAN'T afford new ones and only did this for a few months of enjoyment.
Give it 6 months to a year and we will all have picks of REPO'S with low mileage because of these individuals that traded in their clunkers to get cars they couldn't afford.
Think about it... car dealers have been doing anything over the last year to get people into dealerships and no one was going because they couldn't afford it..
L8R
People who traded in their cars CAN'T afford new ones and only did this for a few months of enjoyment.
Give it 6 months to a year and we will all have picks of REPO'S with low mileage because of these individuals that traded in their clunkers to get cars they couldn't afford.
Think about it... car dealers have been doing anything over the last year to get people into dealerships and no one was going because they couldn't afford it..
L8R
08-30-09, 08:35 AM
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I participated in C4C. It worked well for me. I could afford a new car, have a secure job, got more for my car than it was worth, and ended up with a New car and an RX to boot...
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08-30-09, 03:04 PM
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It is also true that we are spending more money on the war going on right now. It is most definitely the war that brought us into this terrible economical situation we find ourselves in right now. We aren't going to pull out of it until we cut back on our spendings to keep this war going. That is a whole other conversation though.
Just to clarify, I am a white male that is a life time NRA member that watches FOX news. I am also in the Army so I know plenty about the war.
08-30-09, 07:55 PM
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Even though as a car guy (rotary nut) I natrually wouldn't like this program but the sheer amount of people that took adventage of this program, it would be dumb to call it a failure or stupid.
08-31-09, 07:56 AM
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Not trying to start a pissing contest with anyone. I just felf some strong statements were made and I felt that in the name of free speech and balance, I needed to make a counterpoint.
I do ask this, in the name of getting to the truth if supporting evidence is presented when making blanket statements. This would greatly reduce the amount of mis-information that circulates on the web and particularly these forums.
We are all entitled to our opinions, the only danger is when we represent those opinions as fact. I actually enjoy debating just about anything, as long as it stays professional and factual.
God be with our troops and especially those that have sacrificed so much or everything for this nation.
I do ask this, in the name of getting to the truth if supporting evidence is presented when making blanket statements. This would greatly reduce the amount of mis-information that circulates on the web and particularly these forums.
We are all entitled to our opinions, the only danger is when we represent those opinions as fact. I actually enjoy debating just about anything, as long as it stays professional and factual.
God be with our troops and especially those that have sacrificed so much or everything for this nation.
08-31-09, 03:24 PM
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I wish there had been a provision in the cash for clunkers that if you wanted to buy a c4c car you could give up a bigger clunker in exchange for someone elses car (for a small fee to cover additional program expenses) everyone could have traded up to a better car in the process and in the end it would be a true clunker getting destroyed not a bunch of servicable cars that most people in need would love to have.
10-13-09, 03:08 PM
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the only part that really did suck about C4C is that all the parts are gone.
having that many more Chevy Small blocks around would be great for the price!!! lol
having that many more Chevy Small blocks around would be great for the price!!! lol
10-13-09, 04:48 PM
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Oddly enough, I'm seeing tons of C4C cars popping up in pick your parts and such, I got a lot of parts from two second gens that were glassed... shameful as it is, they just won't sell you the engine parts, everything else is still usable.
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im not sure if you guys relized this or not but every single cash for clunker car was "blown up" siezed before it could even leave the lot to the junk yard.
We drained the oil and poured liquid glass into all the motors and ran them till they all siezed and then the goverment would send the tow trucks to pick them up. This way no one would get to use the motors if they were in the junkyard. I honestly dont think they are even crushing the cars. They are just blown up and sent to the junkyard. We really werent even able to really take much off the cars if we wanted to because some guy had to hand check every single car and question everything that was missing..
We drained the oil and poured liquid glass into all the motors and ran them till they all siezed and then the goverment would send the tow trucks to pick them up. This way no one would get to use the motors if they were in the junkyard. I honestly dont think they are even crushing the cars. They are just blown up and sent to the junkyard. We really werent even able to really take much off the cars if we wanted to because some guy had to hand check every single car and question everything that was missing..
10-13-09, 07:06 PM
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im not sure if you guys relized this or not but every single cash for clunker car was "blown up" siezed before it could even leave the lot to the junk yard.
We drained the oil and poured liquid glass into all the motors and ran them till they all siezed and then the goverment would send the tow trucks to pick them up. This way no one would get to use the motors if they were in the junkyard. I honestly dont think they are even crushing the cars. They are just blown up and sent to the junkyard. We really werent even able to really take much off the cars if we wanted to because some guy had to hand check every single car and question everything that was missing..
We drained the oil and poured liquid glass into all the motors and ran them till they all siezed and then the goverment would send the tow trucks to pick them up. This way no one would get to use the motors if they were in the junkyard. I honestly dont think they are even crushing the cars. They are just blown up and sent to the junkyard. We really werent even able to really take much off the cars if we wanted to because some guy had to hand check every single car and question everything that was missing..
Our General manager just told us to take what we want as long as the wheels and doors were still on it!
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