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Old 07-25-12, 08:57 PM
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Hi,
If this questions has been asked and answered in a thread on this forum before, i'd love to know where i can find it-

Are the maroon seats that i have seen in a few first gen fb's real leather or faux leather?
My dad was convinced they were fake leather until i found a tear in one of my spare seats and then he looked at the inside of the material and thought it looked like real leather.
I am not really experienced with what to look for when it comes to distinguishing real leather from fake, obviously. so i'd love to know since i am trying to sell a pair of these seats.

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they are real leather. the rear of the seat is vinyl, but the front, bolsters, seat bottom, section under the headrest, and the headrest are real leather
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Originally Posted by mazdaverx713b
they are real leather. the rear of the seat is vinyl, but the front, bolsters, seat bottom, section under the headrest, and the headrest are real leather
Awesome, that's good to know.
Thanks a lot!
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Yep, real leather for sure, you just can't fake that look. So are the insets on the door panels and the steering wheel cover.

That's what makes the original items in good shape so hard to find.



Have you got any photos of your seats? I and about a dozen other people would probably be interested.
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Originally Posted by jozeyrx7
I am not really experienced with what to look for when it comes to distinguishing real leather from fake, obviously.
Easiest way to tell is if you can see the back of the material (like looking under the edges, or at a tear).

Vinyl has a cloth backing on it for strength. Leather looks like leather/suede on the back.

Other ways are a bit more subtle:
Leather will absorb a water drop over time; vinyl won't.
Smell can be a big clue; vinyl never smells like leather when you heat it up by rubbing it.
If you rub leather rapidly with your fingers, it warms up but doesn't get sticky. If you rub vinyl the same way, it gets kind of sticky.
Leather is usually more supple; it bends more easily.
Any deep scratches on leather will often show the natural leather color under the dye; vinyl's color goes clear through.
Leather won't melt when heated with a match (not a recommended way of testing someone else's property)
If you look real closely, like with a magnifying glass, at the stitching lines, on leather you can often see the leather fibers that were cut/torn by the needle. Vinyl stretches like plastic around the threads.
The texture on vinyl will wear away over time, leaving smooth shiny areas at rub points.
Old well-used leather develops 'patina;' it changes color and gets smoother, but you can still see the leather texture. You can see that in the pictures above. A lot of people think that well-cared-for but older leather with that patina looks more beautiful than brand-new leather.



Some of the modern fake leathers are real close, but the vinyl from the 80's when these cars were made is not
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Thanks heaps for all of that information. Very useful facts to know!


There is about 6 seats for sale all together, 2xFD, 1xFC and 3xFB. i tried to put photos up but it only lets me post 3 at a time since the files are too large.
I think the Fb ones pictured have seen better days but some people might like the patina they have. PM me for more details, more photos and prices.

I have a set of beautiful leather Fb seats in my gsl-se, really comfy and excellent condition but they're not for sale right now.
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Originally Posted by DivinDriver
Easiest way to tell is if you can see the back of the material (like looking under the edges, or at a tear).

Vinyl has a cloth backing on it for strength. Leather looks like leather/suede on the back.

Other ways are a bit more subtle:
Leather will absorb a water drop over time; vinyl won't.
Smell can be a big clue; vinyl never smells like leather when you heat it up by rubbing it.
If you rub leather rapidly with your fingers, it warms up but doesn't get sticky. If you rub vinyl the same way, it gets kind of sticky.
Leather is usually more supple; it bends more easily.
Any deep scratches on leather will often show the natural leather color under the dye; vinyl's color goes clear through.
Leather won't melt when heated with a match (not a recommended way of testing someone else's property)
If you look real closely, like with a magnifying glass, at the stitching lines, on leather you can often see the leather fibers that were cut/torn by the needle. Vinyl stretches like plastic around the threads.
The texture on vinyl will wear away over time, leaving smooth shiny areas at rub points.
Old well-used leather develops 'patina;' it changes color and gets smoother, but you can still see the leather texture. You can see that in the pictures above. A lot of people think that well-cared-for but older leather with that patina looks more beautiful than brand-new leather.



Some of the modern fake leathers are real close, but the vinyl from the 80's when these cars were made is not
I could easily tell on the one pictured here with the tare, that is was leather from the description you gave. especially how it looks a lot like suede and it doesn't have any reinforcement from cloth.
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^^ that seat is a leather seat from an 81-83 GSL.
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Originally Posted by mazdaverx713b
^^ that seat is a leather seat from an 81-83 GSL.
I was wondering how i have ended up with so many seats that look the same as each other, but have slightly different patterns.

Do you know if they are harder to come by or more sought-after compared to the other seats i have?
I am selling it for $30, do you think it's a good price?
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$30 for a torn leather seat from an S2 isn't a bad deal. imo, the more sought after seats are the 84-85 maroon leather seats. more comfortable and larger headrests.
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Originally Posted by mazdaverx713b
^^ that seat is a leather seat from an 81-83 GSL.
81-82, the 83 is the same but the pattern is like the 84-85's, so it LOOKS like an 84-85, but has the smaller headrest (and other features) of the 81-82
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Do you know if the headrests are easily removable?
I can't seem to figure out how to adjust their height and take them off of the seats
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